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I mean this week seems to have seen a very public and significant pushback against alt reich/gamergate/neonazi/MAGA idiots. It's been one of the worst weeks to

I mean this week seems to have seen a very public and significant pushback against alt reich/gamergate/neonazi/MAGA idiots. It's been one of the worst weeks to be a white supremacist or racist in the US for quite some time. So there are limits. Even Ted Cruz will eventually stand up and say: you know what, this is too fucking far. STOP. They key to moving the Overton window is to do it gradually. Charlottesville was a massive overreach, and it backfired.

opportune 9y ago
You're seriously lumping gamergate into that? The one thing I can't stand, and think is unfair, is when a few bad apples ruin a decentralized movement for everyone. BLM had the exact same problem, idiots delegitimizing a movement fighting a very legitimate problem, and then those scattered incidents being collected to allow organized detractors to mischaracterize them. Now we're seeing that happen with the rightwing protests as well. Don't get me wrong, I hate nazis and also do not at all agree with Trump supporters / people that want to keep the confederate status, but they're not all nazis.
- grabcocque 9y ago
  Don't want to tread old ground here, but since the gamergate clusterfuck, pretty much every single one of the gamergate "thought leaders" has turned out, to nobody's surprise, to be a nazi. Anyway, the connections between Nazism and gamergate have been extensively detailed across the web. But here's Stormfront endorsing the movement: https://archive.is/YyKpX https://archive.is/YyKpX
- signet 9y ago
  Wow, I didn't know people were still talking about gamergate like it was a controversy worth caring about. And what does it have to do with legitimate conservative causes? You're as bad as the president. "Not all the white men carrying torches and chanting 'Jews will not replace us' are bad people"
  - opportune 9y ago
    Not really, just don't like backhanded character assassination. Also, not all the people protesting were chanting "Jews will not replace us". Oddly, some of the white nationalists that helped organize the protest were Jewish. And I also personally know many conservative people in favor of the statues that aren't nazis either (and at least for some, it's because they personally are Jewish, so it would make no sense). Calling all conservatives white nationalists is the equivalent of calling all BLM protesters black nationalists, or all counter protesters antifa. It's just easy namecalling and almost always ends up just being very heavily cherrypicked images and such used to construct a narrative.
    - signet 9y ago
      I completely agree with the statement 'not all conservatives are Nazis.' Just the people who show up at white nationalist rallies and decide to go with the mob. Why can't conservationism be about cutting taxes again? The repubs have a serious image problem turning a blind eye to this insane fringe and if they want to fix it they need to stomp it out and focus on economics or something less divisive.
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opportune 9y ago

You're seriously lumping gamergate into that? The one thing I can't stand, and think is unfair, is when a few bad apples ruin a decentralized movement for everyone. BLM had the exact same problem, idiots delegitimizing a movement fighting a very legitimate problem, and then those scattered incidents being collected to allow organized detractors to mischaracterize them. Now we're seeing that happen with the rightwing protests as well. Don't get me wrong, I hate nazis and also do not at all agree with Trump supporters / people that want to keep the confederate status, but they're not all nazis.

grabcocque 9y ago
Don't want to tread old ground here, but since the gamergate clusterfuck, pretty much every single one of the gamergate "thought leaders" has turned out, to nobody's surprise, to be a nazi. Anyway, the connections between Nazism and gamergate have been extensively detailed across the web. But here's Stormfront endorsing the movement: https://archive.is/YyKpX https://archive.is/YyKpX
signet 9y ago
Wow, I didn't know people were still talking about gamergate like it was a controversy worth caring about. And what does it have to do with legitimate conservative causes? You're as bad as the president. "Not all the white men carrying torches and chanting 'Jews will not replace us' are bad people"
- opportune 9y ago
  Not really, just don't like backhanded character assassination. Also, not all the people protesting were chanting "Jews will not replace us". Oddly, some of the white nationalists that helped organize the protest were Jewish. And I also personally know many conservative people in favor of the statues that aren't nazis either (and at least for some, it's because they personally are Jewish, so it would make no sense). Calling all conservatives white nationalists is the equivalent of calling all BLM protesters black nationalists, or all counter protesters antifa. It's just easy namecalling and almost always ends up just being very heavily cherrypicked images and such used to construct a narrative.
  - signet 9y ago
    I completely agree with the statement 'not all conservatives are Nazis.' Just the people who show up at white nationalist rallies and decide to go with the mob. Why can't conservationism be about cutting taxes again? The repubs have a serious image problem turning a blind eye to this insane fringe and if they want to fix it they need to stomp it out and focus on economics or something less divisive.
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