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> In order to understand the usage across the Plex ecosystem and how we > need to improve, Plex will continue to collect usage statistics, such > as device

> In order to understand the usage across the Plex ecosystem and how we > need to improve, Plex will continue to collect usage statistics, such > as device type, duration, bit rate, media format, resolution, and > media type (music, photos, videos, etc.). > **We will no longer allow the option to opt out of this statistics collection.** Ugh. Not especially happy about this one. EDIT: First it was opt-out, which is bad enough (opt-in is much less underhanded). I am calling this new thing the "sucks to be you" option. :(

kuschku 9y ago
This is going to be very interesting. The European Union General Data Privacy Regulation is going to come into force very soon, and it applies to anyone processing data of EU citizen. Under that, this privacy policy from Plex would be a crime, as you need to provide an opt-out for this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula...
- msla 9y ago
  "It is a violation of the Plex license to use this software in Europe or any other jurisdiction subject to the European Union or any of its laws or regulations. We disclaim all responsibility, and will not be held liable, for any violation of the laws resulting from or associated with the use of our product." Would that work? Because dollars to doughnuts someone's going to try it or something like it.
  - 0x0 9y ago
    Isn't Plex based off XBMC/Kodi and licensed under GPL2? I didn't think GPL2 allowed adding additional restrictions to the license? https://github.com/plexinc/plex-media-player/blob/master/LICENSE#L192 https://github.com/plexinc/plex-media-player/blob/master/LIC...
    - msla 9y ago
      OK, they could make it part of the TOS of their online service. You know, the service you're giving information to in the first place.
    - Veratyr 9y ago
      Only the native Plex player is based on XBMC/Kodi, the Plex server and web player is and always has been proprietary. I also imagine the server is where they do stats collection.
    - blue2031 9y ago
      No it isn't
      - 0x0 9y ago
        Is https://github.com/plexinc/plex-media-player/blob/master/LICENSE https://github.com/plexinc/plex-media-player/blob/master/LIC... not the Plex source code repository?
  - semperdark 9y ago
    I'm no lawyer, but from similar situations I'd imagine that they would need to make a reasonable effort to block EU users from using the product to get away with that. Eg. forcing users to use a VPN by hiding the download button for EU IPs.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    Nope, that’s the interesting part of the GDPR. No ToS, no contract, no terms can get you out of it. As long as you have a single EU citizen as user, you’re liable. Read the article I’ve linked, it’s definitely an interesting law, and will create lots of interesting legal debates.
- coolio222 9y ago
  Are you sure about that? The European Union General Data Privacy Regulation regulates only personally identifiable information. IF(just an assuption) the collected data does not identify the user, does it still apply?

kuschku 9y ago

This is going to be very interesting. The European Union General Data Privacy Regulation is going to come into force very soon, and it applies to anyone processing data of EU citizen. Under that, this privacy policy from Plex would be a crime, as you need to provide an opt-out for this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula...

msla 9y ago
"It is a violation of the Plex license to use this software in Europe or any other jurisdiction subject to the European Union or any of its laws or regulations. We disclaim all responsibility, and will not be held liable, for any violation of the laws resulting from or associated with the use of our product." Would that work? Because dollars to doughnuts someone's going to try it or something like it.
- 0x0 9y ago
  Isn't Plex based off XBMC/Kodi and licensed under GPL2? I didn't think GPL2 allowed adding additional restrictions to the license? https://github.com/plexinc/plex-media-player/blob/master/LICENSE#L192 https://github.com/plexinc/plex-media-player/blob/master/LIC...
  - msla 9y ago
    OK, they could make it part of the TOS of their online service. You know, the service you're giving information to in the first place.
  - Veratyr 9y ago
    Only the native Plex player is based on XBMC/Kodi, the Plex server and web player is and always has been proprietary. I also imagine the server is where they do stats collection.
  - blue2031 9y ago
    No it isn't
    - 0x0 9y ago
      Is https://github.com/plexinc/plex-media-player/blob/master/LICENSE https://github.com/plexinc/plex-media-player/blob/master/LIC... not the Plex source code repository?
- semperdark 9y ago
  I'm no lawyer, but from similar situations I'd imagine that they would need to make a reasonable effort to block EU users from using the product to get away with that. Eg. forcing users to use a VPN by hiding the download button for EU IPs.
- kuschku 9y ago
  Nope, that’s the interesting part of the GDPR. No ToS, no contract, no terms can get you out of it. As long as you have a single EU citizen as user, you’re liable. Read the article I’ve linked, it’s definitely an interesting law, and will create lots of interesting legal debates.
coolio222 9y ago
Are you sure about that? The European Union General Data Privacy Regulation regulates only personally identifiable information. IF(just an assuption) the collected data does not identify the user, does it still apply?