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Sounds like positive news because it's totally crazy to see somebody—specially if not even German—waving a Nazi flag like it's something to be proud of. Howeve

Sounds like positive news because it's totally crazy to see somebody—specially if not even German—waving a Nazi flag like it's something to be proud of. However, I wonder if this promotes hate towards the haters (probably a dumb thought)..? Who gets to decide who the bad guys are and what a hate crime is..?

alecco 9y ago
Of course. I'd even agree up to a point the extremist intolerants should not be allowed (be it nazis, fascists, maoist, communists, or religious extremists). But it looks very wrong to put this in the hands of a mega-corporation with political interests. They are a virtual monopoly on search and videos. I wonder what would the EFF would say about this. We've been on this road before. Under the pretense of terrorism threats individual rights were eroded on a massive scale. And Google was part of it, either actively or with willful ignorance (e.g. not encrypting internal links so NSA could easily tap). Who are they to decide what is a hate crime? In Canada it's a hate crime to refuse to use on of a dozen gender pronouns for "non-binary" people.
- nkkollaw 9y ago
  I guess it's a hate crime if it's considered a hate crime where it happens..? The more I think about it though, the more it seems wrong. There must be local laws that regulate hate crimes, it seems wrong that a corporation gets with someone and starts shaming people online instead of letting local authorities deal with it. And, if local authorities don't deal with it it's either legal—and so they should be able to do whatever they want no matter how stupid it is—or the problem is with the police, but a database doesn't solve that.
- yahna 9y ago
  > In Canada it's a hate crime to refuse to use on of a dozen gender pronouns for "non-binary" people No it's not. Listen to a lawyer or actual expert instead of a psych professor with a chip on his shoulder.
  - alecco 9y ago
    Canadian Department of Justice website. http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/pl/identity-identite/faq.html http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/pl/identity-identite/fa... > With very few exceptions, grounds of discrimination are not defined in legislation but are left to courts, tribunals, and commissions to interpret and explain, based on their detailed experience with particular cases. Yeah, vague wording would surely work out if it's a hate crime or not. This is ridiculous. Laws should be clear. The majority of Canadian judges are quite left-liberals.
    - yahna 9y ago
      > The majority of Canadian judges are quite left-liberals. Good.
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amputect 9y ago
w/r/t "hate towards the haters" (assuming by "haters" here you mean people literally waving a nazi flag, or more colloquially, "nazis"), you might find this essay on the paradox of tolerence interesting: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1af7007d6376 https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...
- Danihan 9y ago
  This article is absurd, I'm not sure why people keep spamming it here. It's just a self-righteous rallying cry for more divisiveness.

alecco 9y ago

Of course. I'd even agree up to a point the extremist intolerants should not be allowed (be it nazis, fascists, maoist, communists, or religious extremists). But it looks very wrong to put this in the hands of a mega-corporation with political interests. They are a virtual monopoly on search and videos. I wonder what would the EFF would say about this. We've been on this road before. Under the pretense of terrorism threats individual rights were eroded on a massive scale. And Google was part of it, either actively or with willful ignorance (e.g. not encrypting internal links so NSA could easily tap). Who are they to decide what is a hate crime? In Canada it's a hate crime to refuse to use on of a dozen gender pronouns for "non-binary" people.

nkkollaw 9y ago
I guess it's a hate crime if it's considered a hate crime where it happens..? The more I think about it though, the more it seems wrong. There must be local laws that regulate hate crimes, it seems wrong that a corporation gets with someone and starts shaming people online instead of letting local authorities deal with it. And, if local authorities don't deal with it it's either legal—and so they should be able to do whatever they want no matter how stupid it is—or the problem is with the police, but a database doesn't solve that.
yahna 9y ago
> In Canada it's a hate crime to refuse to use on of a dozen gender pronouns for "non-binary" people No it's not. Listen to a lawyer or actual expert instead of a psych professor with a chip on his shoulder.
- alecco 9y ago
  Canadian Department of Justice website. http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/pl/identity-identite/faq.html http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/pl/identity-identite/fa... > With very few exceptions, grounds of discrimination are not defined in legislation but are left to courts, tribunals, and commissions to interpret and explain, based on their detailed experience with particular cases. Yeah, vague wording would surely work out if it's a hate crime or not. This is ridiculous. Laws should be clear. The majority of Canadian judges are quite left-liberals.
  - yahna 9y ago
    > The majority of Canadian judges are quite left-liberals. Good.
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amputect 9y ago

w/r/t "hate towards the haters" (assuming by "haters" here you mean people literally waving a nazi flag, or more colloquially, "nazis"), you might find this essay on the paradox of tolerence interesting: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1af7007d6376 https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...

Danihan 9y ago
This article is absurd, I'm not sure why people keep spamming it here. It's just a self-righteous rallying cry for more divisiveness.