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What is going on? Are people really afraid that neo-Nazism is gonna make a comeback? Can't we just acknowledge the situation as a bunch of angry kids saying hu

What is going on? Are people really afraid that neo-Nazism is gonna make a comeback? Can't we just acknowledge the situation as a bunch of angry kids saying hurtful things for attention ("I wish you were DEAD!")?

23443463453 9y ago
What's funniest is that most of the hate (defined: To feel strong dislike for or hostility toward) clearly, unequivocally and irrefutably comes from the leftists against Trump and white people and police and essentially anyone that insists on something as silly as rule of law.
burkaman 9y ago
They also actually killed someone.
- 2_listerine_pls 9y ago
  One guy killed someone.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    One member of the movement, in pursuit of the movements ends, at a movement rally, and with wide praise in the movement, and with the deliberate encouragement not only of the narrow white supremacist movement but the broader right, including the GOP and allied media (which has specifically made efforts to normalize fatally running over peaceful protesters, including advancing legislation in several US jurisdictions to decriminalize it). Without in one iota mitigating the culpability of the individual perpetrator, I have no problem characterizing this as a killing by the violent White supremacist movement, as well as one contributed to by the broader right-wing movement.
- patrickg_zill 9y ago
  Zemir Begic was dragged from his car and beaten to death with hammers. In front of his wife. The black teens that did it were "influenced by the events at Ferguson". So I guess BLM should also be shut down - but instead, Twitter made a special logo for them...
  - burkaman 9y ago
    I was responding the the claim that neo-Nazis are just a bunch of harmless angry kids.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    You fail to show that the attack was by a BLM member, encouraged by BLM, cheered afterwards by BLM, I tied to BLM activity. The only relation is supposed motivation by a event with which BLM was also upset. This is in no meaningful way parallel to the Charlottesville case.
    - patrickg_zill 9y ago
      The guy that drove his car into the crowd was not a member of any of the sponsoring organizations of the "Unite the Right" march, either. As for after the fact cheering of white people's deaths, may I direct you to the cesspit of Twitter...
      - tucosan 9y ago
        Could you cite a source that supports your claim please?
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Cuuugi 9y ago
The feeling of being victimized, whether valid or not, only emboldens these people.
projectramo 9y ago
Who is "we"? Different people acknowledged different things, and that is why there is a dispute.
eyeJam 9y ago
I don't disagree with you. But this is a private company that has decided that being associated with, doing business with, or providing a platform for neo-nazis (real or pretend) is bad for their bottomline. They made the correct call.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> Are people really afraid that neo-Nazism is gonna make a comeback? Both neo-Nazism specifically and fascism and white supremacism more generally are at their strongest (membership, groups, activity, non-opposition from government figures) level in the US in several decades right now. For neo-Nazism specifically it's probably it's strongest ever (actual support for Nazism was perhaps in some respects stronger in the US at some points prior to WWII, but that wasn't neo-Nazism, and that was before the worst Nazi atrocities occurred, much less were known.) So, no, it's not a speculative future return to past strength (“comeback”) that is worrying about the neo-Nazi movement.
- alexandercrohde 9y ago
  Could you site some sources for this? I just assumed the news was covering it more heavily because money and there are no big wars going on right now.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    Its my aggregate impression from a number of different sources. This covers 2016 and differs in some details from my description: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2017/year-hate-and-extremism https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/...
    - alexandercrohde 9y ago
      Well, I'm not going to read that whole thing. If you want to pull out an excerpt I'd read it. The reason I think it's dangerous for the masses to decide things are facts based on "aggregate impressions" is that the media is not an objective sampling. For example, perhaps hatecrimes under Obama weren't newsworthy, but under Trump they are more-so because it hits all the emotional buttons. This would lead to increased reporting, leading to an belief of increased prevalence. I don't remember people getting as angry about Neonazi-marches in 2010, 2005, etc, but that's anecdotal.
pacomerh 9y ago
What planet do you live on? That's exactly how you start serious problems. You're also implying that verbal bullying is harmless.

23443463453 9y ago

What's funniest is that most of the hate (defined: To feel strong dislike for or hostility toward) clearly, unequivocally and irrefutably comes from the leftists against Trump and white people and police and essentially anyone that insists on something as silly as rule of law.

burkaman 9y ago

They also actually killed someone.

2_listerine_pls 9y ago
One guy killed someone.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  One member of the movement, in pursuit of the movements ends, at a movement rally, and with wide praise in the movement, and with the deliberate encouragement not only of the narrow white supremacist movement but the broader right, including the GOP and allied media (which has specifically made efforts to normalize fatally running over peaceful protesters, including advancing legislation in several US jurisdictions to decriminalize it). Without in one iota mitigating the culpability of the individual perpetrator, I have no problem characterizing this as a killing by the violent White supremacist movement, as well as one contributed to by the broader right-wing movement.
patrickg_zill 9y ago
Zemir Begic was dragged from his car and beaten to death with hammers. In front of his wife. The black teens that did it were "influenced by the events at Ferguson". So I guess BLM should also be shut down - but instead, Twitter made a special logo for them...
- burkaman 9y ago
  I was responding the the claim that neo-Nazis are just a bunch of harmless angry kids.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  You fail to show that the attack was by a BLM member, encouraged by BLM, cheered afterwards by BLM, I tied to BLM activity. The only relation is supposed motivation by a event with which BLM was also upset. This is in no meaningful way parallel to the Charlottesville case.
  - patrickg_zill 9y ago
    The guy that drove his car into the crowd was not a member of any of the sponsoring organizations of the "Unite the Right" march, either. As for after the fact cheering of white people's deaths, may I direct you to the cesspit of Twitter...
    - tucosan 9y ago
      Could you cite a source that supports your claim please?

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Cuuugi 9y ago

The feeling of being victimized, whether valid or not, only emboldens these people.

projectramo 9y ago

Who is "we"? Different people acknowledged different things, and that is why there is a dispute.

eyeJam 9y ago

I don't disagree with you. But this is a private company that has decided that being associated with, doing business with, or providing a platform for neo-nazis (real or pretend) is bad for their bottomline. They made the correct call.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> Are people really afraid that neo-Nazism is gonna make a comeback? Both neo-Nazism specifically and fascism and white supremacism more generally are at their strongest (membership, groups, activity, non-opposition from government figures) level in the US in several decades right now. For neo-Nazism specifically it's probably it's strongest ever (actual support for Nazism was perhaps in some respects stronger in the US at some points prior to WWII, but that wasn't neo-Nazism, and that was before the worst Nazi atrocities occurred, much less were known.) So, no, it's not a speculative future return to past strength (“comeback”) that is worrying about the neo-Nazi movement.

alexandercrohde 9y ago
Could you site some sources for this? I just assumed the news was covering it more heavily because money and there are no big wars going on right now.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  Its my aggregate impression from a number of different sources. This covers 2016 and differs in some details from my description: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2017/year-hate-and-extremism https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/...
  - alexandercrohde 9y ago
    Well, I'm not going to read that whole thing. If you want to pull out an excerpt I'd read it. The reason I think it's dangerous for the masses to decide things are facts based on "aggregate impressions" is that the media is not an objective sampling. For example, perhaps hatecrimes under Obama weren't newsworthy, but under Trump they are more-so because it hits all the emotional buttons. This would lead to increased reporting, leading to an belief of increased prevalence. I don't remember people getting as angry about Neonazi-marches in 2010, 2005, etc, but that's anecdotal.

pacomerh 9y ago

What planet do you live on? That's exactly how you start serious problems. You're also implying that verbal bullying is harmless.