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Protected from the one you love and want to spend the rest of your life with? The best protection is not marrying any person not totally committed to you and t

by gscott 16y ago

Protected from the one you love and want to spend the rest of your life with? The best protection is not marrying any person not totally committed to you and the 2nd best protection is not to be a jackass to the one you love. The 3rd best protection is a secret bank account in another country that she doesn't know about.

philk 16y ago
People change over time, and people are not always infallible judges of character. You have no way of guaranteeing that the person you marry is actually totally committed to you and you have no way of guaranteeing that that won't change over time. Seeking protection from unforeseen changes is a prudent thing to do.
- gscott 16y ago
  > Seeking protection from unforeseen changes is a prudent thing to do. Since it is unlikely that unless there is a huge benefit to signing a prenuptial agreement a woman isn't likely going to an alternative is to trick her by getting married in a state with laws that are beneficial to the income earner and not the spouse. You promise a nice wedding at a country club in xyz state, she thinks it is sooo romantic and that you are awsome. In reality when you dump her for a newer skinnier model she finds out that she has spent the last xx years with you for nothing because the state laws don't provide for an equal split of the assets. Out of kindness you buy her a used cheap RV so she isn't homeless and give her $200 so she can eat for a little bit while she signs up for welfare.
  - philk 16y ago
    Interesting idea but I don't think you have to trick a girl into anything. Since it is unlikely that unless there is a huge benefit to signing a prenuptial agreement a woman isn't likely going to Then you don't marry her. Really, if someone isn't willing to sign a fair agreement for your (and her) protection before the relationship then you don't want to be with them. she finds out that she has spent the last xx years with you for nothing Apart from the enjoyment, the love, the emotional support and all of the other things that long term relationships are supposed to provide. If she's staying with you because she thinks there's going to be some financial payoff then there's something gravely wrong with the relationship.
    - mkramlich 16y ago
      > "If she's staying with you because she thinks there's going to be some financial payoff then there's something gravely wrong with the relationship." exactly. instead, just leave the cash on a bureau top or bedside table where she can find it easily. the exchange is still implied on both parts, and you both still win because she gets her money reward earlier and the man doesn't have to worry about being destroyed financially 10 years down the line. (tongue somewhat in cheek)
    - tomjen3 16y ago
      >Since it is unlikely that unless there is a huge benefit to signing a prenuptial agreement a woman isn't likely going to Then you don't marry her. Say that in California, and the prenup is invalid. Which is one reason nobody should ever be married in California.
tomjen3 16y ago
That is sentimental bullshit and exactly why people don't sign prenups. You wouldn't get an investor without an agreement, you wouldn't get a co-founder without an agreement, you shouldn't get a wife without an agreement.
- cromulent 16y ago
  > That is sentimental bullshit Yes - what's wrong with that? What do you think marriages are about? Business?
  - csallen 16y ago
    It's not the "sentimental" part that's objectionable, it's the "bullshit" part. Marry someone you love, marry someone you trust, of course. But understand that the future is unpredictable and forever is a long time -- there's nothing wrong with being prepared.
- gscott 16y ago
  I have been married for 15 years, if I am ever to be successful I want to share that with my wife who has had our two children and provides me company. I am surprised others wouldn't share the same view. Being married is not like hiring someone.
  - tomjen3 16y ago
    Thats a different thing - what I am primarily trying to avoid is the case where you end up broken, hateful of your former lover and have to waste a ton of money in court to be allowed to see your children. I doubt a prenup would prevent you from sharing your wealth with your wife though.

by gscott 16y ago

philk 16y ago

People change over time, and people are not always infallible judges of character. You have no way of guaranteeing that the person you marry is actually totally committed to you and you have no way of guaranteeing that that won't change over time. Seeking protection from unforeseen changes is a prudent thing to do.

gscott 16y ago
> Seeking protection from unforeseen changes is a prudent thing to do. Since it is unlikely that unless there is a huge benefit to signing a prenuptial agreement a woman isn't likely going to an alternative is to trick her by getting married in a state with laws that are beneficial to the income earner and not the spouse. You promise a nice wedding at a country club in xyz state, she thinks it is sooo romantic and that you are awsome. In reality when you dump her for a newer skinnier model she finds out that she has spent the last xx years with you for nothing because the state laws don't provide for an equal split of the assets. Out of kindness you buy her a used cheap RV so she isn't homeless and give her $200 so she can eat for a little bit while she signs up for welfare.
- philk 16y ago
  Interesting idea but I don't think you have to trick a girl into anything. Since it is unlikely that unless there is a huge benefit to signing a prenuptial agreement a woman isn't likely going to Then you don't marry her. Really, if someone isn't willing to sign a fair agreement for your (and her) protection before the relationship then you don't want to be with them. she finds out that she has spent the last xx years with you for nothing Apart from the enjoyment, the love, the emotional support and all of the other things that long term relationships are supposed to provide. If she's staying with you because she thinks there's going to be some financial payoff then there's something gravely wrong with the relationship.
  - mkramlich 16y ago
    > "If she's staying with you because she thinks there's going to be some financial payoff then there's something gravely wrong with the relationship." exactly. instead, just leave the cash on a bureau top or bedside table where she can find it easily. the exchange is still implied on both parts, and you both still win because she gets her money reward earlier and the man doesn't have to worry about being destroyed financially 10 years down the line. (tongue somewhat in cheek)
  - tomjen3 16y ago
    >Since it is unlikely that unless there is a huge benefit to signing a prenuptial agreement a woman isn't likely going to Then you don't marry her. Say that in California, and the prenup is invalid. Which is one reason nobody should ever be married in California.

tomjen3 16y ago

That is sentimental bullshit and exactly why people don't sign prenups. You wouldn't get an investor without an agreement, you wouldn't get a co-founder without an agreement, you shouldn't get a wife without an agreement.

cromulent 16y ago
> That is sentimental bullshit Yes - what's wrong with that? What do you think marriages are about? Business?
- csallen 16y ago
  It's not the "sentimental" part that's objectionable, it's the "bullshit" part. Marry someone you love, marry someone you trust, of course. But understand that the future is unpredictable and forever is a long time -- there's nothing wrong with being prepared.
gscott 16y ago
I have been married for 15 years, if I am ever to be successful I want to share that with my wife who has had our two children and provides me company. I am surprised others wouldn't share the same view. Being married is not like hiring someone.
- tomjen3 16y ago
  Thats a different thing - what I am primarily trying to avoid is the case where you end up broken, hateful of your former lover and have to waste a ton of money in court to be allowed to see your children. I doubt a prenup would prevent you from sharing your wealth with your wife though.