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You're going to define "nightmare" and "disastrous", because I would argue strongly that the actual real-world rise of a fascist movement that we are witnessing

You're going to define "nightmare" and "disastrous", because I would argue strongly that the actual real-world rise of a fascist movement that we are witnessing is of much greater existential concern than what you are describing. Additionally, I contend with your assertion that posting crime statistics cannot be construed as hate speech. Are the statistics being presented in a neutral way with context? Or is this an effort to characterize immigrants as criminals based on an a priori belief that this is true? Is this just sharing information or an attempt to build hatred toward a specific group? Does the author look at the reasons we see greater crime in poor and immigrant areas or does he insinuate that immigrants are somehow just inherently more violent? As Twain said, there are lies, damn lies, and there are statistics.

rpiguy 9y ago
The intent of the posting the statistics is irrelevant. If the person is against immigration into their town, they should be able to post the crime statistics with the intent to influence other locals to reject the immigrants. It is up to the reader of the information to determine whether it was biased, or whether bias is warranted. Even if all immigrants are not criminals, you can determine that crime went up in your town, zero in on them as the cause, and rightfully decide to oppose all immigration to your town because you'd rather have crime levels where they were before. There is no real world rise of facism in the United States. The nationwide gathering of white nationalists last weekend barely managed to scrape together a few hundred people. The danger of fascism is primarily from the left, who believe it is alright for masked ANTIFA protesters to intimidate and commit acts of violence. They are the equivalent of a modern Klu Klux Klan and largely get a pass by the press. Trump's executive orders are no more autocratic than his predecessors and he is not aided and abided by a willing press. Certainly in the Philippines and Venezuela you could make an argument about a descent into fascism.

rpiguy 9y ago

The intent of the posting the statistics is irrelevant. If the person is against immigration into their town, they should be able to post the crime statistics with the intent to influence other locals to reject the immigrants. It is up to the reader of the information to determine whether it was biased, or whether bias is warranted. Even if all immigrants are not criminals, you can determine that crime went up in your town, zero in on them as the cause, and rightfully decide to oppose all immigration to your town because you'd rather have crime levels where they were before. There is no real world rise of facism in the United States. The nationwide gathering of white nationalists last weekend barely managed to scrape together a few hundred people. The danger of fascism is primarily from the left, who believe it is alright for masked ANTIFA protesters to intimidate and commit acts of violence. They are the equivalent of a modern Klu Klux Klan and largely get a pass by the press. Trump's executive orders are no more autocratic than his predecessors and he is not aided and abided by a willing press. Certainly in the Philippines and Venezuela you could make an argument about a descent into fascism.