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So true. I had to create a separate Reddit account to have these discussions about internet freedom and refusing service because people assume I'm a white supr
by watty 9y ago
So true. I had to create a separate Reddit account to have these discussions about internet freedom and refusing service because people assume I'm a white supremacist / Nazi.
I'm not, I just think it opens up some interesting discussion as to what we can or can't discriminate against.
- leereeves 9y agoReddit is particularly bad. I'm glad there's a place like Hacker News where people who disagree can still speak to one another civilly.
- thanatropism 9y agoOn occasion I have the impression that all my recent comments have been downvoted by 1 in a short span of time. Not that HN karma matters, but it's very well possible that that is already going on.
- dgut 9y agoYep. There are a lot of HNers who abuse the voting system and leave no traces (no arguments, no reasons). It's quite a childish behavior. The only civic discussion forum I know of is the extropy chat email list.
- CWuestefeld 9y agoFor the topics it covers, the discussion at SlateStarCodex.com and its matching reddit are of extremely high quality, both in terms of the thought that goes into comments, as well as the civility of participants.
- thinkingemote 9y agoHN users have to accrue a certain amount of karma and age before they can downvote comments. Thankfully.
- smokeyj 9y agoHere's my comment from the Cloudflare thread, sitting at -4. > But what's the end game? Do service providers have to morally support those who they provide service to? Because that's how things are looking. And what do you know. That's exactly what's happening.
- Angostura 9y agoI don’t think that service providers have to suppport them. Just not find them morally entirely repugnant. There's quite a lot of ground between those two points.
- ZeroGravitas 9y agoSomeone in that thread, unironically, said that Google etc. had to allow Nazi's to use their services. And then immediately said "Whatever happened to "Don't be evil"?". Apparently the concept that providing your services to Nazi's could be thought of as evil totally escaped their thoughts. It seems like quite a lot of people have deeply internalized the opinion that "Free Speech" is an unalloyed good, and are confused by anyone who sees this as a matter of shades of gray. I'd argue, the people looking at things in black and white are the ones' being ridiculous here. Is child porn free speech? Is a direct threat free speech? Is copyright infringment? etc. No matter how hardcore a free speech advocate you find, there's going to be a line for them. But apparently anyone who draws their line one step to the side of that is evil and/or stupid because that is the point where the slippery slope starts, conveniently just to the side of their own line, which is on firm and solid ground.
- ameister14 9y agoNot necessarily evil, but attempting to abridge their rights.
- leereeves 9y agoAnd would you draw that line so far toward censorship that you would ban a platform merely for not practicing censorship? (Gab)
- gthtjtkt 9y agoHacker News is no better than Reddit, it's just less noticeable because there's less transparency here. Edit: Can't even post now. Saying this place is "no better than Reddit" may actually be a little insulting to Reddit.
- devmunchies 9y ago> "I'm not, I just..." There it is again. Wow, this is a really interesting social phenomenon we're seeing.
- Angostura 9y agoIt’s not really that interesting, it’s a normal human conversational technique.
- devmunchies 9y agoone man's "normal human conversational technique" is another man's "interesting social phenomenon".
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- Angostura 9y agoIt’s not really that interesting, it’s a normal human conversational technique.
- Fifer82 9y agoYou would have more enjoyment and learn more from talking to the wall than participating on any realistic reddit discussion.