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You and the ACLU have been tripped up by the paradox of tolerance: there is a time and place to analyze ideas destructive to open society, but that is not the s

by nimish 9y ago

You and the ACLU have been tripped up by the paradox of tolerance: there is a time and place to analyze ideas destructive to open society, but that is not the same as what happened in Charlottesville or Germany in the '30s

KekDemaga 9y ago
The paradox of tolerance is that in order to be extremely tolerant to some you must become intolerant of others, it has nothing to do with violence.
lagadu 9y ago
> there is a time and place to analyze ideas destructive to open society I hope you realize this is the type of speech we should expect from a totalitarian regime. Who determines whether something is destructive to society? Always and everywhere should be the time and place to analyse any ideas regardless of whether anyone thinks they're destructive or not.
- syshum 9y ago
  >>Who determines whether something is destructive to society? This is a key question people want to avoid Every group has their own idea as to what is destructive to society, Ask Anti-fa they will tell it is the White Supremacists, Ask the White Supremacists and they will tell you it is Anti-fa Ask me and I will tell you it is both... Ask Christians and they will give you a whole list of speech that is destructive, Ask Atheists and they will give you a whole list of speech that is destructive, Ask <insert group>, and they will give you a whole list of speech that is destructive, So who is right? None of them.... not even me. What is actually destructive to society is Censorship... Both by government and by society at large
DarkKomunalec 9y ago
> there is a time and place to analyze ideas destructive to open society Just like there's a time and place to question the war effort, right? Besides, some people want closed borders, not an open society - why should only ideas that favour openness be allowed?
appleflaxen 9y ago
What did Charlottesville have to do with speech? They ran over a young woman with a car. Can you prevent violence by preventing speech? Yes, for sure, but where do you draw the line? If nothing else, I hope trump's presidency teaches us all that the government should not be the one to decide what's ok to say. those who willingly give up freedom for safety will end up with neither.
bhickey 9y ago
Hitler didn't take over Germany because he had the best words. He was enabled, among other things, by complicit Bavarian judges who refused to lop off his head for treason.

by nimish 9y ago

KekDemaga 9y ago

The paradox of tolerance is that in order to be extremely tolerant to some you must become intolerant of others, it has nothing to do with violence.

lagadu 9y ago

> there is a time and place to analyze ideas destructive to open society I hope you realize this is the type of speech we should expect from a totalitarian regime. Who determines whether something is destructive to society? Always and everywhere should be the time and place to analyse any ideas regardless of whether anyone thinks they're destructive or not.

syshum 9y ago
>>Who determines whether something is destructive to society? This is a key question people want to avoid Every group has their own idea as to what is destructive to society, Ask Anti-fa they will tell it is the White Supremacists, Ask the White Supremacists and they will tell you it is Anti-fa Ask me and I will tell you it is both... Ask Christians and they will give you a whole list of speech that is destructive, Ask Atheists and they will give you a whole list of speech that is destructive, Ask <insert group>, and they will give you a whole list of speech that is destructive, So who is right? None of them.... not even me. What is actually destructive to society is Censorship... Both by government and by society at large

DarkKomunalec 9y ago

> there is a time and place to analyze ideas destructive to open society Just like there's a time and place to question the war effort, right? Besides, some people want closed borders, not an open society - why should only ideas that favour openness be allowed?

appleflaxen 9y ago

What did Charlottesville have to do with speech? They ran over a young woman with a car. Can you prevent violence by preventing speech? Yes, for sure, but where do you draw the line? If nothing else, I hope trump's presidency teaches us all that the government should not be the one to decide what's ok to say. those who willingly give up freedom for safety will end up with neither.

bhickey 9y ago

Hitler didn't take over Germany because he had the best words. He was enabled, among other things, by complicit Bavarian judges who refused to lop off his head for treason.