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to me the key difference is terrorism is premeditated. this violence was the act of one individual and is blown out of proportion. what was not communicated is

to me the key difference is terrorism is premeditated. this violence was the act of one individual and is blown out of proportion. what was not communicated is that only these "alt-right" groups had permission to march and demonstrate and the police were told to not intervene when counter groups who assembled in similar manner without permission were allowed free reign to incite the issue. I am all for letting these "alt-right/left" groups march to their hearts content provided their faces are visible. it gives them an outlet and lets the rest of us know who they are. so while their message may be repugnant they have the right to march. the ACLU recent preening/posturing/etc is shameful compared to their past actions. far too many groups are piling on declaring how they are against violence which is non declaration. Of course violence cannot be supported. the real danger is if we force these groups underground that some of their members may act out with much more terrible violence.

macintux 9y ago
http://www.snopes.com/were-police-told-stand-down-charlottesville/ http://www.snopes.com/were-police-told-stand-down-charlottes...
- leereeves 9y ago
  [Removed mistaken post]
  - icebraining 9y ago
    Snopes does cite the tweet, and does say there were brawls and that some people blame the police for not having intervened enough. Which facts have they missed?
    - leereeves 9y ago
      My mistake; I shouldn't post while busy with other things.
mschuster91 9y ago
> I am all for letting these "alt-right/left" groups march to their hearts content provided their faces are visible. You do know what happens once neo-Nazis get photos of your face? People are getting harrassed online, then offline, rounded up, beaten and occasionally murdered. Masking is self-protection. And yes there IS a difference between lefties and Nazis masking up: Lefties, generally, don't kill. Worst you get as a Nazi is a beating. Nazis do kill (50 or 68 alone due to terrorist attacks since 9/11, per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#cite_ref-NewAmericaTally_39-0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#cite_ref-...). Source: know a couple "outed" activists, got my face distributed by a local Nazi party leader on Youtube.
- leereeves 9y ago
  > People are getting...rounded up, beaten and occasionally murdered Source? Neo-Nazis rounding up and beating Americans is such an outrageous story that, if it were true, every media outlet in America would be reporting it.
  - mschuster91 9y ago
    > if it were true, every media outlet in America would be reporting it. LOL as if the mainstream press would care about right-wing violence. As long as it can be swept under the rug or it's only minorities who suffer, they don't care - simply because the majority of customers are white men, and they are not interested if PoC or minorities get hit. Charlottesville only got attention because the terror victim was white, what happened the day before at night or with the PoC nearly beaten to death in a garage was shadowed by the murder. There are many sources proving my point, when it comes to the facts. For example: - The number of violent attacks on U.S. soil inspired by far-right ideology has spiked since the beginning of this century, rising from a yearly avarage of 70 attacks in the 1990s to a yearly avarage of more than 300 since 2001. These incidents have grown even more common since President Donald Trump’s election. (per http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-militants-bigger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-mil...) - They and untold thousands like them are the extremists who hide among us, the right-wing militants who, since 2002, have killed more people in the United States than jihadis have. In that time, according to New America, a Washington think tank, Islamists launched nine attacks that murdered 45, while the right-wing extremists struck 18 times, leaving 48 dead. (per http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-militants-bigger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-mil...)
croon 9y ago
> what was not communicated is that only these "alt-right" groups had permission to march and demonstrate and the police were told to not intervene when counter groups who assembled in similar manner without permission were allowed free reign to incite the issue. It could be because both of those statements are lies. You might need to rethink which outlet you go to for news. Although one of those outlets happens to be the POTUS, which is unfortunate. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/17/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-charlottesville-counter-protest/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/... http://www.snopes.com/were-police-told-stand-down-charlottesville/ http://www.snopes.com/were-police-told-stand-down-charlottes...

macintux 9y ago

http://www.snopes.com/were-police-told-stand-down-charlottesville/ http://www.snopes.com/were-police-told-stand-down-charlottes...

leereeves 9y ago
[Removed mistaken post]
- icebraining 9y ago
  Snopes does cite the tweet, and does say there were brawls and that some people blame the police for not having intervened enough. Which facts have they missed?
  - leereeves 9y ago
    My mistake; I shouldn't post while busy with other things.

mschuster91 9y ago

> I am all for letting these "alt-right/left" groups march to their hearts content provided their faces are visible. You do know what happens once neo-Nazis get photos of your face? People are getting harrassed online, then offline, rounded up, beaten and occasionally murdered. Masking is self-protection. And yes there IS a difference between lefties and Nazis masking up: Lefties, generally, don't kill. Worst you get as a Nazi is a beating. Nazis do kill (50 or 68 alone due to terrorist attacks since 9/11, per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#cite_ref-NewAmericaTally_39-0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#cite_ref-...). Source: know a couple "outed" activists, got my face distributed by a local Nazi party leader on Youtube.

leereeves 9y ago
> People are getting...rounded up, beaten and occasionally murdered Source? Neo-Nazis rounding up and beating Americans is such an outrageous story that, if it were true, every media outlet in America would be reporting it.
- mschuster91 9y ago
  > if it were true, every media outlet in America would be reporting it. LOL as if the mainstream press would care about right-wing violence. As long as it can be swept under the rug or it's only minorities who suffer, they don't care - simply because the majority of customers are white men, and they are not interested if PoC or minorities get hit. Charlottesville only got attention because the terror victim was white, what happened the day before at night or with the PoC nearly beaten to death in a garage was shadowed by the murder. There are many sources proving my point, when it comes to the facts. For example: - The number of violent attacks on U.S. soil inspired by far-right ideology has spiked since the beginning of this century, rising from a yearly avarage of 70 attacks in the 1990s to a yearly avarage of more than 300 since 2001. These incidents have grown even more common since President Donald Trump’s election. (per http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-militants-bigger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-mil...) - They and untold thousands like them are the extremists who hide among us, the right-wing militants who, since 2002, have killed more people in the United States than jihadis have. In that time, according to New America, a Washington think tank, Islamists launched nine attacks that murdered 45, while the right-wing extremists struck 18 times, leaving 48 dead. (per http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-militants-bigger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-mil...)

croon 9y ago

> what was not communicated is that only these "alt-right" groups had permission to march and demonstrate and the police were told to not intervene when counter groups who assembled in similar manner without permission were allowed free reign to incite the issue. It could be because both of those statements are lies. You might need to rethink which outlet you go to for news. Although one of those outlets happens to be the POTUS, which is unfortunate. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/17/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-charlottesville-counter-protest/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/... http://www.snopes.com/were-police-told-stand-down-charlottesville/ http://www.snopes.com/were-police-told-stand-down-charlottes...