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How are they contradictory? The goal of net neutrality is to have physical internet lines be regulated in the same way that phone lines are: as a part of the co

by j2kun 9y ago

How are they contradictory? The goal of net neutrality is to have physical internet lines be regulated in the same way that phone lines are: as a part of the communication infrastructure of the country. Is Google Play a fundamental part of the infrastructure of the country? I wouldn't even call Google search fundamental (or infrastructure at all, for that matter)!

cocktailpeanuts 9y ago
"Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers and governments regulating the Internet must treat all data on the Internet the same, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or mode of communication" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality And yes, google play IS a fundamental part of the infrastructure of not just america but the entire world, most Android users (excluding those who use samsung modified os) download apps through google play store. Google.com is different because people have the freedom to choose another search engine. If you're an android user you don't have an alternative.
- j2kun 9y ago
  > Internet service providers and governments Which of these is Google? You seem to have reiterated my argument back to me. > If you're an android user you don't have an alternative. Cell phone operating systems are not a fundamental part of the communication infrastructure of the country. If you really did think that, you'd be asserting that people have a right to an Android phone, and that governments should compel Google to sell them to everyone at a fair price. According to you, the gov't doesn't get to do that for iPhones or Blackberries or whatever Amazon is doing in this space. I hope you see how ridiculous that idea is. If you replaced your smartphone with a dumb phone today you'd get along fine and barely notice. None of your rights would be infringed. There are reasonable alternatives to having an Android phone for anything you'd want to do on an Android phone. You can't say the same thing of access to the infrastructure of the internet. Nobody is saying Google doesn't have a lot of influence, and nobody's saying that isn't problematic. Nobody's calling you a Nazi for warning about censure that comes from centralization (the EFF is on your side). But you're spitting hypocrisy at other people and erecting straw men when you haven't thought your own ideas through. I get you're angry, but try to reflect more.

by j2kun 9y ago

cocktailpeanuts 9y ago

"Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers and governments regulating the Internet must treat all data on the Internet the same, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or mode of communication" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality And yes, google play IS a fundamental part of the infrastructure of not just america but the entire world, most Android users (excluding those who use samsung modified os) download apps through google play store. Google.com is different because people have the freedom to choose another search engine. If you're an android user you don't have an alternative.

j2kun 9y ago
> Internet service providers and governments Which of these is Google? You seem to have reiterated my argument back to me. > If you're an android user you don't have an alternative. Cell phone operating systems are not a fundamental part of the communication infrastructure of the country. If you really did think that, you'd be asserting that people have a right to an Android phone, and that governments should compel Google to sell them to everyone at a fair price. According to you, the gov't doesn't get to do that for iPhones or Blackberries or whatever Amazon is doing in this space. I hope you see how ridiculous that idea is. If you replaced your smartphone with a dumb phone today you'd get along fine and barely notice. None of your rights would be infringed. There are reasonable alternatives to having an Android phone for anything you'd want to do on an Android phone. You can't say the same thing of access to the infrastructure of the internet. Nobody is saying Google doesn't have a lot of influence, and nobody's saying that isn't problematic. Nobody's calling you a Nazi for warning about censure that comes from centralization (the EFF is on your side). But you're spitting hypocrisy at other people and erecting straw men when you haven't thought your own ideas through. I get you're angry, but try to reflect more.