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I really see nothing in common with Chicago and Cleveland. Especially not down to their 'DNA'. Chicago is a globally recognized metropolitan city...that's their

I really see nothing in common with Chicago and Cleveland. Especially not down to their 'DNA'. Chicago is a globally recognized metropolitan city...that's their DNA. Cleveland is a blue collar town with its roots in industrial manufacturing and oil. Chicago has always been a diverse metro area focussed on finance, technology, academia.

justin66 9y ago
It's ironic that if you were going to pick nits with my "common DNA" comment that you'd balk at the comparison between Chicago and Cleveland in particular. One thing that struck me when walking through Graceland Cemetery was how many of the earliest settlers [0] of Chicago were from Northeast Ohio, so there is literally DNA in common there. Of course, it's obvious that that sort of thing has continued throughout the cities history, if you think of how migrants entered the country in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries and moved westward. [0] http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/eternal-silence http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/eternal-silence > I really see nothing in common with Chicago and Cleveland. I assume you haven't spent much time in both. (edited down a longer comment since, really, who cares...)
- capkutay 9y ago
  I've spent a lot of time in Chicago and a little time in cleveland. I have no clue how anyone can think they're similar cities. I think most Chicagoans would be offended if you said 'oh chicago and cleveland are so similar!'
  - justin66 9y ago
    > I have no clue how anyone can think they're similar cities. They're midwestern American cities on the Great Lakes with the same climate and roughly the same geography and ethnic makeup. It's not like you're comparing Florence and Reykjavik, for heaven's sake. I'm fascinated by your reaction to this comparison. (If you're interested in a less information-free exchange on the topic: my reaction the first time I visited Chicago years ago was roughly "so this is how Cleveland might have ended up if they'd had their shit together 100 years ago." It's not really accurate - there are some economic reasons why Cleveland's decline was predestined - but feel free to explain to me why it's a completely crazy reaction.) > I think most Chicagoans would be offended if you said 'oh chicago and cleveland are so similar!' That's not exactly what I said... although, seriously, most of my friends in Chicago aren't quite so easily offended.

justin66 9y ago

It's ironic that if you were going to pick nits with my "common DNA" comment that you'd balk at the comparison between Chicago and Cleveland in particular. One thing that struck me when walking through Graceland Cemetery was how many of the earliest settlers [0] of Chicago were from Northeast Ohio, so there is literally DNA in common there. Of course, it's obvious that that sort of thing has continued throughout the cities history, if you think of how migrants entered the country in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries and moved westward. [0] http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/eternal-silence http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/eternal-silence > I really see nothing in common with Chicago and Cleveland. I assume you haven't spent much time in both. (edited down a longer comment since, really, who cares...)

capkutay 9y ago
I've spent a lot of time in Chicago and a little time in cleveland. I have no clue how anyone can think they're similar cities. I think most Chicagoans would be offended if you said 'oh chicago and cleveland are so similar!'
- justin66 9y ago
  > I have no clue how anyone can think they're similar cities. They're midwestern American cities on the Great Lakes with the same climate and roughly the same geography and ethnic makeup. It's not like you're comparing Florence and Reykjavik, for heaven's sake. I'm fascinated by your reaction to this comparison. (If you're interested in a less information-free exchange on the topic: my reaction the first time I visited Chicago years ago was roughly "so this is how Cleveland might have ended up if they'd had their shit together 100 years ago." It's not really accurate - there are some economic reasons why Cleveland's decline was predestined - but feel free to explain to me why it's a completely crazy reaction.) > I think most Chicagoans would be offended if you said 'oh chicago and cleveland are so similar!' That's not exactly what I said... although, seriously, most of my friends in Chicago aren't quite so easily offended.