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Let's hope he doesn't sign up for hacker news.

by KekDemaga 9y ago

jacquesm 9y ago
If some of the comments in this thread are to be believed he'd fit right in.
- KekDemaga 9y ago
  Care to point one out in particular?
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15042346 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15042346
    - retox 9y ago
      Innocent until proven guilty.
      - jacquesm 9y ago
        This is not a court of law.
        EdSharkey 9y ago
        Until all the facts come out and a person is proven to be guilty, we (Americans) assume they are innocent of any crimes. This is a protection for the individual against the tyranny of the mob. It's a culture thing as much as it is a legal thing, this assumption of innocence.
        jacquesm 9y ago
        > Until all the facts come out and a person is proven to be guilty, > we (Americans) assume they are innocent of any crimes. > This is a protection for the individual against the > tyranny of the mob. It's a culture thing as much as > it is a legal thing, this assumption of innocence. Bollocks. This is the case in quite a few countries but America is an exception to this rule. Let me explain why: In America, contrary to many other countries the accused has his mug shot, full name, house address and plenty of other details including conversation with his neighbors and his grade school teacher paraded in the media some times even before they've been properly charged. When Hans Reiser was accused of the murder of his wife I was one of very few people on HN asking for people to hold back their judgment until the facts were in and until he was declared guilty (which eventually happened). One reason for this is that there was at that point in time no evidence at all that he had actually committed that crime, all there was was a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence. Now, if there had been a home video of Reiser killing his wife on youtube then that would have held me back from making that comment, even if for legal purposes the judge would still have had to go through the whole 'presumed innocent' routine the facts would have proven to me that he would be found guilty with a likelihood close enough to certainty that advocating his innocence until proven guilty would border on the grotesque. So, if you want to take a stand here and advocate that this person, who used his car to attempt to murder dozens and who successfully murdered at least one person and who is on the record as being a supporter of a group of people which has made no bones about their willingness to do violence and of who we have some pretty good video of him doing that particular deed of which he stands accused them I'm fine wit h that, that's your right. In the meantime the accused has his name plastered all over the media and he's going to have a hard time even finding a jury that is not already roughly where I am: that if he's going to plead 'not guilty' he's going to have to pull an outside size rabbit out of his hat. FWIW and if you haven't seen it yet, go watch the video footage (which to me is some pretty strong proof) of this persons actions and then come back here and argue their innocence. And if you are really so concerned about the rights of the accused put in a cent or two towards protecting their privacy in the media until they've been found guilty, you know, like countries do that really care about protection of the individual against the tyranny of the mob.
        EdSharkey 9y ago
      - fra 9y ago
        Like many in this thread, you do not understand the difference between constitutional protection from the state and your interaction with private businesses.
    - KekDemaga 9y ago
      I thought you were saying that the people here are racists, now I understand you are talking about the misinformed. My bad.
dang 9y ago
Would you please stop posting unsubstantive and trollish comments to HN? We're hoping for something better here, doomed though the aspiration may be. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15042291 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15042291 and marked it off-topic.

Let's hope he doesn't sign up for hacker news.

jacquesm 9y ago

If some of the comments in this thread are to be believed he'd fit right in.

KekDemaga 9y ago
Care to point one out in particular?
- jacquesm 9y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15042346 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15042346
  - retox 9y ago
    Innocent until proven guilty.
    - jacquesm 9y ago
      This is not a court of law.
      - EdSharkey 9y ago
        Until all the facts come out and a person is proven to be guilty, we (Americans) assume they are innocent of any crimes. This is a protection for the individual against the tyranny of the mob. It's a culture thing as much as it is a legal thing, this assumption of innocence.
        jacquesm 9y ago
        > Until all the facts come out and a person is proven to be guilty, > we (Americans) assume they are innocent of any crimes. > This is a protection for the individual against the > tyranny of the mob. It's a culture thing as much as > it is a legal thing, this assumption of innocence. Bollocks. This is the case in quite a few countries but America is an exception to this rule. Let me explain why: In America, contrary to many other countries the accused has his mug shot, full name, house address and plenty of other details including conversation with his neighbors and his grade school teacher paraded in the media some times even before they've been properly charged. When Hans Reiser was accused of the murder of his wife I was one of very few people on HN asking for people to hold back their judgment until the facts were in and until he was declared guilty (which eventually happened). One reason for this is that there was at that point in time no evidence at all that he had actually committed that crime, all there was was a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence. Now, if there had been a home video of Reiser killing his wife on youtube then that would have held me back from making that comment, even if for legal purposes the judge would still have had to go through the whole 'presumed innocent' routine the facts would have proven to me that he would be found guilty with a likelihood close enough to certainty that advocating his innocence until proven guilty would border on the grotesque. So, if you want to take a stand here and advocate that this person, who used his car to attempt to murder dozens and who successfully murdered at least one person and who is on the record as being a supporter of a group of people which has made no bones about their willingness to do violence and of who we have some pretty good video of him doing that particular deed of which he stands accused them I'm fine wit h that, that's your right. In the meantime the accused has his name plastered all over the media and he's going to have a hard time even finding a jury that is not already roughly where I am: that if he's going to plead 'not guilty' he's going to have to pull an outside size rabbit out of his hat. FWIW and if you haven't seen it yet, go watch the video footage (which to me is some pretty strong proof) of this persons actions and then come back here and argue their innocence. And if you are really so concerned about the rights of the accused put in a cent or two towards protecting their privacy in the media until they've been found guilty, you know, like countries do that really care about protection of the individual against the tyranny of the mob.
        EdSharkey 9y ago
    - fra 9y ago
      Like many in this thread, you do not understand the difference between constitutional protection from the state and your interaction with private businesses.
  - KekDemaga 9y ago
    I thought you were saying that the people here are racists, now I understand you are talking about the misinformed. My bad.

dang 9y ago

Would you please stop posting unsubstantive and trollish comments to HN? We're hoping for something better here, doomed though the aspiration may be. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15042291 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15042291 and marked it off-topic.