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Holy crap that is weird. Well I won't be using Google Fi. I was reading Fi's Terms of Service and came across this gem: We take protecting your Customer Propri

Holy crap that is weird. Well I won't be using Google Fi. I was reading Fi's Terms of Service and came across this gem: We take protecting your Customer Proprietary Network Information or “CPNI” very seriously. Using CPNI without your additional approval is limited to specific purposes. By using the Services, you allow us to use, disclose, and permit access to your CPNI without your additional approval only for the following limited purposes: ... Any other purpose permitted by federal law So they can use your personal data without your approval for anything that's not illegal? Spurious use of the word "limited" there Google.

infogulch 9y ago
Wait, if that's a limited list, why is there anything listed before "everything not illegal" at all? Are there other things they do that are illegal? Or is that just designed to confuse and mask the last item?
- infogulch 9y ago
  It's stupid. The whole section could be rewritten as just: By using the Services, you allow us to use, disclose, and permit access to your Customer Proprietary Network Information or “CPNI” without your additional approval for any purpose permitted by federal law I just read it myself, that's essentially what it says. The whole privacy section is just garbage filler to distract you from that, unless I'm reading it completely wrong.
  - alexanderdmitri 9y ago
    I wonder why it's permitted by Federal law for a corporate entity to write legal notices in such a way that is limited to, in most cases, leading the user to believe something is being asserted via highly contrived prolixity when in fact the assertion is entirely void of any substance outside of the tacit acknowledgement from the entity issuing the notice that there will be no breach of notoriously vague Federal law unless the lawyers working for the entity, who (in so many words) actually authored the notice in the first place, see a loophole through which they believe they can exonerate their client without needlessly causing their client's PR firm to work overtime especially in cases where the aforementioned lack of substance is purposefully placed over the purpose of the notice, which may be defined, but is not definitively limited to meaning, the entity will more or less use the data of the notified person, who may or may not be misled by traditionally sound intuition as well as the insubstantial notice being described to believe that his or her actions upon the entity's platform are private, as currency, thus leveraging the intimate knowledge of the disoriented, albeit notified, person to manipulate thoughts, desires, and actions (not to mention internal and external perception in general) towards any and all ends the entity dictates based on fiduciary goals and its incommensurable and entropic drive to further consolidate control of a market the entity continues to cultivate and grow beyond all reasonable proportion.
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- ghostly_s 9y ago
  > Or is that just designed to confuse and mask the last item? Bingo. The main reason most ToS's are like ten pages long, really. They're counting on you not reading it.
- microwavecamera 9y ago
  Plus it's doesn't exactly instill confidence in me that Google has to go out of their way to tell me they're not doing anything illegal. I just would have assumed that, but thanks for letting me know Google.
pmoriarty 9y ago
Google will not be evil ... except where permitted by federal law.

infogulch 9y ago

Wait, if that's a limited list, why is there anything listed before "everything not illegal" at all? Are there other things they do that are illegal? Or is that just designed to confuse and mask the last item?

infogulch 9y ago
It's stupid. The whole section could be rewritten as just: By using the Services, you allow us to use, disclose, and permit access to your Customer Proprietary Network Information or “CPNI” without your additional approval for any purpose permitted by federal law I just read it myself, that's essentially what it says. The whole privacy section is just garbage filler to distract you from that, unless I'm reading it completely wrong.
- alexanderdmitri 9y ago
  I wonder why it's permitted by Federal law for a corporate entity to write legal notices in such a way that is limited to, in most cases, leading the user to believe something is being asserted via highly contrived prolixity when in fact the assertion is entirely void of any substance outside of the tacit acknowledgement from the entity issuing the notice that there will be no breach of notoriously vague Federal law unless the lawyers working for the entity, who (in so many words) actually authored the notice in the first place, see a loophole through which they believe they can exonerate their client without needlessly causing their client's PR firm to work overtime especially in cases where the aforementioned lack of substance is purposefully placed over the purpose of the notice, which may be defined, but is not definitively limited to meaning, the entity will more or less use the data of the notified person, who may or may not be misled by traditionally sound intuition as well as the insubstantial notice being described to believe that his or her actions upon the entity's platform are private, as currency, thus leveraging the intimate knowledge of the disoriented, albeit notified, person to manipulate thoughts, desires, and actions (not to mention internal and external perception in general) towards any and all ends the entity dictates based on fiduciary goals and its incommensurable and entropic drive to further consolidate control of a market the entity continues to cultivate and grow beyond all reasonable proportion.
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ghostly_s 9y ago
> Or is that just designed to confuse and mask the last item? Bingo. The main reason most ToS's are like ten pages long, really. They're counting on you not reading it.
microwavecamera 9y ago
Plus it's doesn't exactly instill confidence in me that Google has to go out of their way to tell me they're not doing anything illegal. I just would have assumed that, but thanks for letting me know Google.

pmoriarty 9y ago

Google will not be evil ... except where permitted by federal law.