Thanks for the reply Sound like the reason you state is basically Joel Spolsky's Law of leaky abstractions. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/LeakyAbstrac

Thanks for the reply Sound like the reason you state is basically Joel Spolsky's Law of leaky abstractions. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/LeakyAbstractions.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/LeakyAbstractions.htm... I started programming in PHP, and can relate to the experiences you've had with java. It's great for actually getting stuff done right out of the box, but I suspect a lot of stuff is being hidden from me. Since you seem to have gone through this process, in your experience, does this give problems later on in a production setting?