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> It would never play out like that. Trump is not going to order some sort of genocide directly. He'll simply stand aside while others do the dirty work and he'

by 21 9y ago

> It would never play out like that. Trump is not going to order some sort of genocide directly. He'll simply stand aside while others do the dirty work and he'll lament at how terrible it is that they are resisting causing violence on both sides. I think you'll agree that a systematic genocide like the ones you mention where you go into a city and round people up cannot happen. That would require the police, national guard, army to stand down and allow it. So we are left with small scale attacks, the kind terrorists do. We need to fight and guard against those, infiltrate the cells and arrest anyone actually planning such thing, but they are not in the category of genocide, especially because in a genocide the killers walk away with nothing happening to them (because they are protected by the state), but in a terrorist attack you either die or are quickly caught.

jacquesm 9y ago
> I think you'll agree that a systematic genocide like the ones you mention where you go into a city and round people up cannot happen. Oh, but we already have a small precursor to that, the ICE raids on immigrants. There will always be people willing to ride the trains and to man the guard towers, good Christians too. Let's hope it does not go further than it has already done. > So we are left with small scale attacks, the kind terrorists do. I'm not sure of that. The whole 'unite the right' movement is about connecting all the little dots into a wave large enough that it would be hard to put down without the national guard or the army stepping in, who could very well have sympathizers in their own ranks. > We need to fight and guard against those, infiltrate the cells and arrest anyone actually planning such thing, but they are not in the category of genocide. Yes, that is exactly what they said in 1933 about Hitler and his merry band of followers. And then in 1934 the tables were turned and suddenly there was no way back, from that point forward WWII was inevitable. Edit: I've taken some time to find this article in Der Spiegel, I read it long ago and I found it to be quite informative about Hitlers rise to power: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-fuehrer-myth-how-hitler-won-over-the-german-people-a-531909.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-fuehrer-myth... edit2: On another note, please note that Germany at the time was the superpower in Europe.
- 21 9y ago
  I don't think this article gives weight to your fears. It says he had total control over the media, and that he had huge approval. Neither is true today. The last three presidents (Bush, Obama, Trump), were around 60% (excluding 9/11) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_app... Also, what would be the unifying sentiment that the white supremacists would unite the whole country around, like this: > For the vast majority of Germans, the restoration of national pride and military strength, the overthrowing of the Versailles Treaty and the expansion of the Reich to incorporate ethnic Germans from Austria and the Sudetenland were goals in themselves
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    > It says he had total control over the media, and that he had huge approval. Neither is true today. Oh, that's all fake news. > restoration of national pride and military strength Is exactly what is happening in the USA right now. > the overthrowing of the Versailles Treaty The United States just backed out of a whole slew of treaties which it considered 'unfair' to the country. > the expansion of the Reich to incorporate ethnic Germans from Austria and the Sudetenland were goals in themselves Well, fortunately such an accident of Geography is not present in the current situation.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > It says he had total control over the media, and that he had huge approval. Neither is true today. This was not the case when Hitler first became Chancellor or, even moreso, when his faction first took undisputed control of the Nazi Party. It was true sometime after he'd done both, and used the propaganda power (and coercive power) of both the state and party to secure his hold on the public. (One clear difference, whatever parallels there might be, is that Trump only really started the fight for undisputed control of the GOP after becoming President; that makes the internal fight much more visible to outsiders, but also wants if he wins it, he won't have as many other barriers to cross to implement his plans as Hitler did after taking over the Nazis.)
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jacquesm 9y ago

> I think you'll agree that a systematic genocide like the ones you mention where you go into a city and round people up cannot happen. Oh, but we already have a small precursor to that, the ICE raids on immigrants. There will always be people willing to ride the trains and to man the guard towers, good Christians too. Let's hope it does not go further than it has already done. > So we are left with small scale attacks, the kind terrorists do. I'm not sure of that. The whole 'unite the right' movement is about connecting all the little dots into a wave large enough that it would be hard to put down without the national guard or the army stepping in, who could very well have sympathizers in their own ranks. > We need to fight and guard against those, infiltrate the cells and arrest anyone actually planning such thing, but they are not in the category of genocide. Yes, that is exactly what they said in 1933 about Hitler and his merry band of followers. And then in 1934 the tables were turned and suddenly there was no way back, from that point forward WWII was inevitable. Edit: I've taken some time to find this article in Der Spiegel, I read it long ago and I found it to be quite informative about Hitlers rise to power: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-fuehrer-myth-how-hitler-won-over-the-german-people-a-531909.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-fuehrer-myth... edit2: On another note, please note that Germany at the time was the superpower in Europe.

21 9y ago
I don't think this article gives weight to your fears. It says he had total control over the media, and that he had huge approval. Neither is true today. The last three presidents (Bush, Obama, Trump), were around 60% (excluding 9/11) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_app... Also, what would be the unifying sentiment that the white supremacists would unite the whole country around, like this: > For the vast majority of Germans, the restoration of national pride and military strength, the overthrowing of the Versailles Treaty and the expansion of the Reich to incorporate ethnic Germans from Austria and the Sudetenland were goals in themselves
- jacquesm 9y ago
  > It says he had total control over the media, and that he had huge approval. Neither is true today. Oh, that's all fake news. > restoration of national pride and military strength Is exactly what is happening in the USA right now. > the overthrowing of the Versailles Treaty The United States just backed out of a whole slew of treaties which it considered 'unfair' to the country. > the expansion of the Reich to incorporate ethnic Germans from Austria and the Sudetenland were goals in themselves Well, fortunately such an accident of Geography is not present in the current situation.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > It says he had total control over the media, and that he had huge approval. Neither is true today. This was not the case when Hitler first became Chancellor or, even moreso, when his faction first took undisputed control of the Nazi Party. It was true sometime after he'd done both, and used the propaganda power (and coercive power) of both the state and party to secure his hold on the public. (One clear difference, whatever parallels there might be, is that Trump only really started the fight for undisputed control of the GOP after becoming President; that makes the internal fight much more visible to outsiders, but also wants if he wins it, he won't have as many other barriers to cross to implement his plans as Hitler did after taking over the Nazis.)
21 9y ago