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This is the wrong question to be asking, antifa and blackboc by definition only show up at fascist and racist rallies. This is what this statement is about: ht

• ptaipale 9y ago
  You mean that the G20 meeting of state heads in Hamburg was a "fascist and racist rally"? Antifa and the extreme left do apply that kind of rhetoric in their critique of "capitalism", but I find it quite extreme and not to be taken seriously. Still, the black block trashed the city and attacked people with deadly force (it's a wonder no one was killed.)
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  • ece 9y ago
    There is a point between a peaceful environmental or justice or equality protest and something as inherently violent as fascism or racism which was the mix in Charlottesville. Historically, fascism has always had an aspect of violence, and the same with racism. You simply cannot make the same case with either antifa or even black block, they are reactionary to fascism and oppression, if not racism respectively. Black bloc has its roots opposing police violence, and this is consistent through their history, so I should have said "fascist, racist and anti-oppression rally"
    • ptaipale 9y ago
      Riots in Hamburg were not anti-oppression. They were anti-people and anti-city.
      • ece 9y ago
        The use of violence as a tactic while wrong isn't the same as violence-dependent ideologies like fascism and racism. Both should be opposed in effective ways. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/how-to-make-fun-of-nazis.html?_r=0 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/how-to-make-fun-o...
        • ptaipale 9y ago
          To me, antifa looks very much like a violence-dependent ideology.
          • ece 9y ago
            Violence in defense is also not the same as violence in offense. Defending yourself or your group is the right thing to do, but you can overreact and be counterproductive to your goals. Fascism and racism have no qualms about using offensive violence. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/us/antifa-left-wing-faction-far-right.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/us/antifa-left-wing-facti...
            • ptaipale 9y ago
              The G20 riots had absolutely no element of "violence in defense". Same applies to many cases. I find it obscure how people go on justifying violence when it just happens to feel good with the political agenda.
              • ece 9y ago
                Violence doesn't work for a political agenda. It never has. I am distinguishing between the historically offensive violent ideologies of nazis and racists, with the historically reactionary use of violence-as-a-tactic for antifa and black bloc. The latters use of violence should be stopped, since it isn't helping in furthering the lefts political agenda. We wouldn't be talking about them at all if not for the rise of Hitler in the 1930s and Trump now. These groups are not all the same level of threats to society. We need to focus on stopping the violence on all sides through better protesting permits apparently, and stopping the fascists and racists from gaining more political power.