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Minimum guaranteed income is the beginning of the end. From a humanist perspective it is great, but that is short sighted. Human beings are goal driven, strip a

Minimum guaranteed income is the beginning of the end. From a humanist perspective it is great, but that is short sighted. Human beings are goal driven, strip away the necessity of that basic human drive and who knows what can happen. "Idle hands are the devil’s workshop"

StavrosK 9y ago
The only thing motivating you is the fact that you'll starve if you don't work? That's some poor motivation, let me tell you.
- corporateslave3 9y ago
  I am never in fear of starvation. Western civilization was built on the bedrock of contributing to society through labor. It's how the system works. That whole system will have to change if that axiom disappears. It is very naive to think that wont have a massive effect on mate selection, how people spend their time, morals, etc. This isnt purely about economics. There are other deeper issues at play when you say people no longer need to work.
  - StavrosK 9y ago
    You're assuming that people won't want to work if they don't have to worry about starving, which I'm not sure is a valid assumption at all.
    - corporateslave3 9y ago
      Sure, everyone will keep being disciplined, waking up early to a work a shitty office job. They will keep doing data entry for 40k a year and cleaning up public toilets for 35k a year. They will put up with massive stress and the risk of being laid off at a large corporation
      - StavrosK 9y ago
        Oh, your argument is that people should be under massive stress? Nice.
        corporateslave3 9y ago
        haha yeah, it was funny reading that after I posted it. My point is people, wont work if they dont have to, working is miserable. But it keeps an order in society that has been shown to be beneficial (look at the development of western democracies).
        StavrosK 9y ago
        I think that people will still want to make money, and work shit jobs to buy iPhones, they just won't be as stressed as they would be if the alternative was starvation, which is good in my book.

StavrosK 9y ago

The only thing motivating you is the fact that you'll starve if you don't work? That's some poor motivation, let me tell you.

corporateslave3 9y ago
I am never in fear of starvation. Western civilization was built on the bedrock of contributing to society through labor. It's how the system works. That whole system will have to change if that axiom disappears. It is very naive to think that wont have a massive effect on mate selection, how people spend their time, morals, etc. This isnt purely about economics. There are other deeper issues at play when you say people no longer need to work.
- StavrosK 9y ago
  You're assuming that people won't want to work if they don't have to worry about starving, which I'm not sure is a valid assumption at all.
  - corporateslave3 9y ago
    Sure, everyone will keep being disciplined, waking up early to a work a shitty office job. They will keep doing data entry for 40k a year and cleaning up public toilets for 35k a year. They will put up with massive stress and the risk of being laid off at a large corporation
    - StavrosK 9y ago
      Oh, your argument is that people should be under massive stress? Nice.
      - corporateslave3 9y ago
        haha yeah, it was funny reading that after I posted it. My point is people, wont work if they dont have to, working is miserable. But it keeps an order in society that has been shown to be beneficial (look at the development of western democracies).
        StavrosK 9y ago
        I think that people will still want to make money, and work shit jobs to buy iPhones, they just won't be as stressed as they would be if the alternative was starvation, which is good in my book.