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I think it's time that as a society we agreed: if your "private" service replaces the public square, then you must run it like a public square. That means toler

I think it's time that as a society we agreed: if your "private" service replaces the public square, then you must run it like a public square. That means tolerating communists, fascists, black power, anti-black, anti-white, etc.

chc 9y ago
So if you start a private (in the sense of "privately run," not "secret") discussion forum and it gets to some level of size, suddenly your discussion forum can't moderate itself? Doesn't that seem a bit strange?
- pjc50 9y ago
  Once you're the overwhelmingly dominant forum for all discussions of all kinds both within a country and even internationally ... maybe yes? Size has a quality all its own.
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vkou 9y ago
Black power groups are not the black equivalents of white power groups. Their history is consistently about protecting their right to exist, not the right to subjugate people of another skin color.
- ZoeZoeBee 9y ago
  You might want to brush up on the rhetoric espoused by some of the black power groups. The SPLC has long considered the Nation Of Islam a hate group who preach the subjugation of whites, Jews and gays https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/grou...
  - marcoperaza 9y ago
    To add to that, Black Power groups were also criticized heavily by Martin Luther King and the NAACP.
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  - vkou 9y ago
    The NoI has a lot of stupid and racist opinions. Their demands, however, have either been equality under the law, or secessionism of their people and culture from white America. The shitbags carrying tiki torches and nazi flags, on the other hand, are trying to take America back. Seperating yourself from another group of people is one thing. Demanding that another group of people separate from society is another. The first is an Amish movement, the second is ethnic cleansing. If the Nation of Islam got what they wanted today, almost nothing would change for the rest of us. If the alt-right did, we'd, at best, be living under Jim Crow again.
    - ZoeZoeBee 9y ago
      Except you're choosing to view black-power groups through your own lens while filtering out reality. If your claims were true the SPLC wouldn't have bothered to state the Nation of Islam and the New Black Panther Party are hate groups, both of which are preaching Black Superiority and calls for violence against whites, jews and others not like them. Members of the New Black Panther Party believe Blacks to be "God's" chosen people who are naturally superior to all other races https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/new-black-panther-party https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/grou... >"Kill every goddamn Zionist in Israel! Goddamn little babies, goddamn old ladies! Blow up Zionist supermarkets!" —Malik Zulu Shabazz, the party's national chairman, protesting at B'nai B'rith International headquarters in Washington, D.C., April 20, 2002
      - vkou 9y ago
        So, you've found the most batshit crazy black nationalist group, and are painting the entire black power movement, with its 60 years of history with their brush. Compare the NBPP with the BPP. Consider which party the Black Power movement is better known for. Whereas with white power movements, we don't need to find tiny splinter groups for examples of repressive racism. The entire bloody movement embraces it. That's its raison d'etre. Black power is fighting for equal rights. Some of it wants its supremacy imposed upon others. White power is fighting for white supremacy. No part of it is fighting for equal rights, because white people in America already have them, in spades.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > Black power groups are not the black equivalents of white power groups. It's true that “power” almost exclusively means “supremacy” in the latter case and more often (but not as consistently) means “empowerment” in the latter, but there is overlap. Black supremacist groups are a thing, though not the dominant thing, in the world of “black power”.
npiazza83 9y ago
Please keep the discussion to how this affects Facebook stock prices and IPO or you will be removed by Hacker News' moderators.
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moomin 9y ago
I think you'll find that if you stood in a public square and a hundred people started yelling at you, the _police_ would get involved. Be careful what you wish for.

chc 9y ago

So if you start a private (in the sense of "privately run," not "secret") discussion forum and it gets to some level of size, suddenly your discussion forum can't moderate itself? Doesn't that seem a bit strange?

pjc50 9y ago
Once you're the overwhelmingly dominant forum for all discussions of all kinds both within a country and even internationally ... maybe yes? Size has a quality all its own.
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vkou 9y ago

Black power groups are not the black equivalents of white power groups. Their history is consistently about protecting their right to exist, not the right to subjugate people of another skin color.

ZoeZoeBee 9y ago
You might want to brush up on the rhetoric espoused by some of the black power groups. The SPLC has long considered the Nation Of Islam a hate group who preach the subjugation of whites, Jews and gays https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/grou...
- marcoperaza 9y ago
  To add to that, Black Power groups were also criticized heavily by Martin Luther King and the NAACP.
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- vkou 9y ago
  The NoI has a lot of stupid and racist opinions. Their demands, however, have either been equality under the law, or secessionism of their people and culture from white America. The shitbags carrying tiki torches and nazi flags, on the other hand, are trying to take America back. Seperating yourself from another group of people is one thing. Demanding that another group of people separate from society is another. The first is an Amish movement, the second is ethnic cleansing. If the Nation of Islam got what they wanted today, almost nothing would change for the rest of us. If the alt-right did, we'd, at best, be living under Jim Crow again.
  - ZoeZoeBee 9y ago
    Except you're choosing to view black-power groups through your own lens while filtering out reality. If your claims were true the SPLC wouldn't have bothered to state the Nation of Islam and the New Black Panther Party are hate groups, both of which are preaching Black Superiority and calls for violence against whites, jews and others not like them. Members of the New Black Panther Party believe Blacks to be "God's" chosen people who are naturally superior to all other races https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/new-black-panther-party https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/grou... >"Kill every goddamn Zionist in Israel! Goddamn little babies, goddamn old ladies! Blow up Zionist supermarkets!" —Malik Zulu Shabazz, the party's national chairman, protesting at B'nai B'rith International headquarters in Washington, D.C., April 20, 2002
    - vkou 9y ago
      So, you've found the most batshit crazy black nationalist group, and are painting the entire black power movement, with its 60 years of history with their brush. Compare the NBPP with the BPP. Consider which party the Black Power movement is better known for. Whereas with white power movements, we don't need to find tiny splinter groups for examples of repressive racism. The entire bloody movement embraces it. That's its raison d'etre. Black power is fighting for equal rights. Some of it wants its supremacy imposed upon others. White power is fighting for white supremacy. No part of it is fighting for equal rights, because white people in America already have them, in spades.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> Black power groups are not the black equivalents of white power groups. It's true that “power” almost exclusively means “supremacy” in the latter case and more often (but not as consistently) means “empowerment” in the latter, but there is overlap. Black supremacist groups are a thing, though not the dominant thing, in the world of “black power”.

npiazza83 9y ago

Please keep the discussion to how this affects Facebook stock prices and IPO or you will be removed by Hacker News' moderators.

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moomin 9y ago

I think you'll find that if you stood in a public square and a hundred people started yelling at you, the _police_ would get involved. Be careful what you wish for.