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> Not when they start organizing murder, no. I think you are misinformed (I assume you talk about natzis). Not all natzis are violent or are looking for viol

> Not when they start organizing murder, no. I think you are misinformed (I assume you talk about natzis). Not all natzis are violent or are looking for violence. There are plenty of pre-war natzis that loved how Hitler pulled their country from dispair of economical and technological swamp, created economy of solid growth and created hundreds of thausands of jobs. Up to this point Hitler was an incredible leader and actually all those real successes as a politican made him being voted to become Germans fuerer. As with any other group or person views, a reasonable person never agrees with anyything they say or believe. Thats called fanatism. Look at Trump. Mamy things he do or say are reasonable and as a POTUS he sould be praised for. On the other hand you shouldnt agree with him when he talks crap. So its wrong to say all natzis are looking for violence, just like its wrong to say all Muslims are looking to blow thmeselves up in crouded spot.

ritchiea 9y ago
So your point is some of the Nazis were reasonable other than the ones that want to commit genocide? It doesn't even hold up today because you are saying historically there were Germans that supported the Nazi party because of Hitler's leadership in other areas. But we're in 2017 where everyone knows that Nazis committed a genocide. So anyone like the Daily Stormer that supports Nazis we know to be dangerous. And It's okay to not do business with dangerous people who want to harm innocents. To your point about Muslims, we know that there are millions of peaceful non-violent practicing Muslims. You are trying to make a logical equivalency here and what I believe is more important is the facts that we know about the real world we live in. Supporting Nazis is explicit support of genocide. Practicing Islam has an unfortunate overlap with violent terrorists. But practicing Christianity also has an unfortunate overlap with domestic terrorists like Timothy McVeigh and Dylan Roof. I don't think existing in this theoretical world of forced equivalency even benefits your argument as much as you believe it does.
- joering2 9y ago
  > So anyone like the Daily Stormer that supports Nazis we know to be dangerous. How is it exactly dangerous? How did they views hurt you or your family? How did they affect you? IF you children happen to be listening and turn to Natzis, I can bet even if DS never existed in the first place, they would get to be Natzis somehow anyways. Point being, limiting free speech is never a good idea. Especially of something SO silly as a website where it is NOT pushing itself on you, but to the contrary - you have to visit it to be a "part" of it.
thinkfurther 9y ago
> actually all those real successes as a politican made him being voted to become Germans fuerer. Where do you have this from? From a computer game or a movie? From a gumball machine? Read this book. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/65458.Defying_Hitler https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/65458.Defying_Hitler
- joering2 9y ago
  Here I googled it for you: https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-achievements-of-Hitler https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-achievements-of-Hitler Amongst all interesting points: 10. Nazis started first checking of drunk drivers.
  - thinkfurther 9y ago
    Your link does not support the claim that that is how Hitler got into power at all. Read the book. Don't pass "go", don't collect $400, and spare me more pop history. I lead you to water, now drink or don't.
    - joering2 9y ago
      Since you are new to Hacker News, I suggest you read the HN Guideline before you take on any further historical book [1]. Furthermore, your response doesn't support anything at all but only steer conversation off to a different course. As you can rewind, I was merely responding to previous post not to equal Nazism with violence, just like you can't equal Muslim religion with violence. In that context, I couldn't care less about some historical book. I assume in your country you have access to Amazon, so go ahead dive in their books section. You welcome! [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - thinkfurther 9y ago
        I'm not new to HN, I just ditch accounts when they approach 500 karma because I'm edgy like that.
chimprich 9y ago
> Not all natzis are violent or are looking for violence [...] Up to this point Hitler was an incredible leader Hitler was openly advocating persecution of Jews and annexing countries through war. Supporting Hitler at the time, even without hindsight, was to be in active support of violence to say the least. Normally you don't need to point out the link between Nazism and violence, but these don't seem to be normal times.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >Hitler was openly advocating persecution of Jews and annexing countries through war. The US (and France and co) were quite antisemitic at the time as well. Hitler took that sentiment and run with it to unprecedented murdering levels, but it was there (and of course, when it was millions of developing worlds colonial slaves who got the axe, nobody really cared. Heck, people didn't even care that much for Jews at the time either: https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267 https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267 ). As for "annexing countries through war" the European colonial powers had been doing exactly the same to 2/3 of the world for centuries (and continued to do so after WWII). The difference is that Hitler did that "annexing" to other European countries, not to third world people (for whom hypocritical Europeans could not care less). (Of course European countries have also had a long bloody history of fighting and annexing each other for centuries up to WWI as well).
  - croon 9y ago
    > As for "annexing countries through war" the European colonial powers had been doing exactly the same to 2/3 of the world for centuries (and continued to do so after WWII). How is this relevant? Get back to me when people proudly call themselves neo-colonialists, and I will gladly call them idiots. No one is defending that part of British history (for example).
    - coldtea 9y ago
      >No one is defending that part of British history (for example) You'd be surprised. I recall the British being quite fond of their Falklands war -- for an astonishingly remote land that has absolutely no historical connection to the isle and population of Britain apart from the colonial plundering. Plus, it's not like the big powers are not invading and bombing countries here and there to this day under various pretexts...

ritchiea 9y ago

So your point is some of the Nazis were reasonable other than the ones that want to commit genocide? It doesn't even hold up today because you are saying historically there were Germans that supported the Nazi party because of Hitler's leadership in other areas. But we're in 2017 where everyone knows that Nazis committed a genocide. So anyone like the Daily Stormer that supports Nazis we know to be dangerous. And It's okay to not do business with dangerous people who want to harm innocents. To your point about Muslims, we know that there are millions of peaceful non-violent practicing Muslims. You are trying to make a logical equivalency here and what I believe is more important is the facts that we know about the real world we live in. Supporting Nazis is explicit support of genocide. Practicing Islam has an unfortunate overlap with violent terrorists. But practicing Christianity also has an unfortunate overlap with domestic terrorists like Timothy McVeigh and Dylan Roof. I don't think existing in this theoretical world of forced equivalency even benefits your argument as much as you believe it does.

joering2 9y ago
> So anyone like the Daily Stormer that supports Nazis we know to be dangerous. How is it exactly dangerous? How did they views hurt you or your family? How did they affect you? IF you children happen to be listening and turn to Natzis, I can bet even if DS never existed in the first place, they would get to be Natzis somehow anyways. Point being, limiting free speech is never a good idea. Especially of something SO silly as a website where it is NOT pushing itself on you, but to the contrary - you have to visit it to be a "part" of it.

thinkfurther 9y ago

> actually all those real successes as a politican made him being voted to become Germans fuerer. Where do you have this from? From a computer game or a movie? From a gumball machine? Read this book. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/65458.Defying_Hitler https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/65458.Defying_Hitler

joering2 9y ago
Here I googled it for you: https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-achievements-of-Hitler https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-achievements-of-Hitler Amongst all interesting points: 10. Nazis started first checking of drunk drivers.
- thinkfurther 9y ago
  Your link does not support the claim that that is how Hitler got into power at all. Read the book. Don't pass "go", don't collect $400, and spare me more pop history. I lead you to water, now drink or don't.
  - joering2 9y ago
    Since you are new to Hacker News, I suggest you read the HN Guideline before you take on any further historical book [1]. Furthermore, your response doesn't support anything at all but only steer conversation off to a different course. As you can rewind, I was merely responding to previous post not to equal Nazism with violence, just like you can't equal Muslim religion with violence. In that context, I couldn't care less about some historical book. I assume in your country you have access to Amazon, so go ahead dive in their books section. You welcome! [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - thinkfurther 9y ago
      I'm not new to HN, I just ditch accounts when they approach 500 karma because I'm edgy like that.

chimprich 9y ago

> Not all natzis are violent or are looking for violence [...] Up to this point Hitler was an incredible leader Hitler was openly advocating persecution of Jews and annexing countries through war. Supporting Hitler at the time, even without hindsight, was to be in active support of violence to say the least. Normally you don't need to point out the link between Nazism and violence, but these don't seem to be normal times.

coldtea 9y ago
>Hitler was openly advocating persecution of Jews and annexing countries through war. The US (and France and co) were quite antisemitic at the time as well. Hitler took that sentiment and run with it to unprecedented murdering levels, but it was there (and of course, when it was millions of developing worlds colonial slaves who got the axe, nobody really cared. Heck, people didn't even care that much for Jews at the time either: https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267 https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267 ). As for "annexing countries through war" the European colonial powers had been doing exactly the same to 2/3 of the world for centuries (and continued to do so after WWII). The difference is that Hitler did that "annexing" to other European countries, not to third world people (for whom hypocritical Europeans could not care less). (Of course European countries have also had a long bloody history of fighting and annexing each other for centuries up to WWI as well).
- croon 9y ago
  > As for "annexing countries through war" the European colonial powers had been doing exactly the same to 2/3 of the world for centuries (and continued to do so after WWII). How is this relevant? Get back to me when people proudly call themselves neo-colonialists, and I will gladly call them idiots. No one is defending that part of British history (for example).
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >No one is defending that part of British history (for example) You'd be surprised. I recall the British being quite fond of their Falklands war -- for an astonishingly remote land that has absolutely no historical connection to the isle and population of Britain apart from the colonial plundering. Plus, it's not like the big powers are not invading and bombing countries here and there to this day under various pretexts...