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If I'm following your implication, I think this is less of a slippery slope than you think. When one's ideology is organized around killing people based on the

by codydh 9y ago

If I'm following your implication, I think this is less of a slippery slope than you think. When one's ideology is organized around killing people based on the color of their skin, it deserves no space in modern society.

dsfyu404ed 9y ago
>ideology is organized around killing people based on the color of their skin, it deserves no space in modern society Please explain why you think a comment that basically said we shouldn't persecute people for crimes of thought/opinion/speech makes that implication.
- ant6n 9y ago
  "Thought crimes" is right-wing-speak denouncing what used to be called political correctness or ... not being racist, sexist or a bigot.
  - Corristowolf 9y ago
    lmao & smh
  - megous 9y ago
    "Thought crime" comes from Orwell for me. Except his meaning was probably a bit different than I thought. Anyway I define it as criminalizing certain expression of ideas in a violent attempt to control what population thinks. Also you're reacting to Thailand story, so I'm not sure what American right has to do with this.
    - ant6n 9y ago
      I'm merely trying to give a possible explanation for codydh's reaction. Searching "thought crimes" for example on Google news also shows how the meaning appears to have changed. Also this discussion started with somebody asking what they can do to help, given that Thailand is far from our sphere of influence. In your response of "Find and support people who are against persecuting thought crimes within the country", the "within the country" could be easily interpreted as whatever country the people discussing are in, which will likely be some Western democracy. So I believe your statement can easily be interpreted as trying to make a connection between free speech issues in the Thailand and the 'fight to free speech' of the alt-right in Western Democracies, asking for tolerance of their intolerant opinions (this is not just a US phenomenon btw). Note also how the example of Chinese tourists getting arrested in Germany for making the nazi salute is used as a suppossed freedom of speech issue in this thread. A news article about that was actually one of the first results in the google search for "thought crimes" [1]. [1] http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/07/chelsea-handler-wants-thought-crimes-to-be-a-thing/ http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/07/chelsea-handler-wants-thou...
      - megous 9y ago
        Maybe the meaning changed in the US. I'm not from/in US. I just use English. The only country that was mentioned was Thailand, so I thought that "the country" would have a clear meaning.
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throwawaywonk 9y ago
Yeah, union organizers and war protesters in the early 1900s were jailed with similar excuses. Would you like to go to jail in 20 years for speaking out against the war in Iraq? Because when you start limiting speech, it's /usually/ not the right wing that suffers...

by codydh 9y ago

dsfyu404ed 9y ago

>ideology is organized around killing people based on the color of their skin, it deserves no space in modern society Please explain why you think a comment that basically said we shouldn't persecute people for crimes of thought/opinion/speech makes that implication.

ant6n 9y ago
"Thought crimes" is right-wing-speak denouncing what used to be called political correctness or ... not being racist, sexist or a bigot.
- Corristowolf 9y ago
  lmao & smh
- megous 9y ago
  "Thought crime" comes from Orwell for me. Except his meaning was probably a bit different than I thought. Anyway I define it as criminalizing certain expression of ideas in a violent attempt to control what population thinks. Also you're reacting to Thailand story, so I'm not sure what American right has to do with this.
  - ant6n 9y ago
    I'm merely trying to give a possible explanation for codydh's reaction. Searching "thought crimes" for example on Google news also shows how the meaning appears to have changed. Also this discussion started with somebody asking what they can do to help, given that Thailand is far from our sphere of influence. In your response of "Find and support people who are against persecuting thought crimes within the country", the "within the country" could be easily interpreted as whatever country the people discussing are in, which will likely be some Western democracy. So I believe your statement can easily be interpreted as trying to make a connection between free speech issues in the Thailand and the 'fight to free speech' of the alt-right in Western Democracies, asking for tolerance of their intolerant opinions (this is not just a US phenomenon btw). Note also how the example of Chinese tourists getting arrested in Germany for making the nazi salute is used as a suppossed freedom of speech issue in this thread. A news article about that was actually one of the first results in the google search for "thought crimes" [1]. [1] http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/07/chelsea-handler-wants-thought-crimes-to-be-a-thing/ http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/07/chelsea-handler-wants-thou...
    - megous 9y ago
      Maybe the meaning changed in the US. I'm not from/in US. I just use English. The only country that was mentioned was Thailand, so I thought that "the country" would have a clear meaning.
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throwawaywonk 9y ago

Yeah, union organizers and war protesters in the early 1900s were jailed with similar excuses. Would you like to go to jail in 20 years for speaking out against the war in Iraq? Because when you start limiting speech, it's /usually/ not the right wing that suffers...