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I am not so familiar with the US law but why wouldn't they? The first article of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: "All human beings are born

by mijamo 9y ago

I am not so familiar with the US law but why wouldn't they? The first article of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood." To be even clearer, the second states: "Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status." Not being a US citizen does not allow the US government to violate basic human rights. And just if you think pricavy is not a basic human right, in the same declaration you find: "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks." EVERYONE. Not just "US Citizen". But then again maybe the US do not respect the most basic human rights.

koolba 9y ago
The "everyone" referred to in that document and all other laws in the USA apply to people after they're here. Not before. Yes they apply to both citizens and non citizens alike. All have those freedoms and short of seeking elected office or voting, there isn't much distinction. But that doesn't mean those rights apply externally. A woman in Saudi Arabia doesn't have freedom of speech per the US first ammendment. A man in Russia doesn't have fourth ammendment protections against searches. Arriving at the border doesn't mean you're inside. Until the country lets you in, you're still outside.
- shakna 9y ago
  > Arriving at the border doesn't mean you're inside. Until the country lets you in, you're still outside. You do realise that "border" is not well-defined, right? It's somewhere between 25-250 miles around the US... So when have you actually entered? The CBP certainly don't view it as having been processed through customs and immigration and regularly detain people who have been processed. > all other laws in the USA apply to people after they're here. When do they arrive? You can spend your entire visit within the US's border region.
  - koolba 9y ago
    > You do realise that "border" is not well-defined, right? > It's somewhere between 25-250 miles around the US... So when have you actually entered? The CBP certainly don't view it as having been processed through customs and immigration and regularly detain people who have been processed. Again, I never said I agree with any of this. I'm saying this is how the current laws have been interpreted and upheld till now. > When do they arrive? After they've passed customs. Being inside the custom's office doesn't grant special rights.
    - shakna 9y ago
      > After they've passed customs. I specifically said that is not the case, and BCP say that is not the case, and Congress do not say that is the case. (See U.S. v. Hernandez-Lopez, where 50 miles after passing through customs was still sufficient to allow for detainment by border patrol.) It is an expectation of most travelers, but it is patently false. > Again, I never said I agree with any of this. Neither have I. The law is ambiguous, and practically without restraint. Even when there is restraint, the BCP regularly are not aware, and violate it.

by mijamo 9y ago

koolba 9y ago

The "everyone" referred to in that document and all other laws in the USA apply to people after they're here. Not before. Yes they apply to both citizens and non citizens alike. All have those freedoms and short of seeking elected office or voting, there isn't much distinction. But that doesn't mean those rights apply externally. A woman in Saudi Arabia doesn't have freedom of speech per the US first ammendment. A man in Russia doesn't have fourth ammendment protections against searches. Arriving at the border doesn't mean you're inside. Until the country lets you in, you're still outside.

shakna 9y ago
> Arriving at the border doesn't mean you're inside. Until the country lets you in, you're still outside. You do realise that "border" is not well-defined, right? It's somewhere between 25-250 miles around the US... So when have you actually entered? The CBP certainly don't view it as having been processed through customs and immigration and regularly detain people who have been processed. > all other laws in the USA apply to people after they're here. When do they arrive? You can spend your entire visit within the US's border region.
- koolba 9y ago
  > You do realise that "border" is not well-defined, right? > It's somewhere between 25-250 miles around the US... So when have you actually entered? The CBP certainly don't view it as having been processed through customs and immigration and regularly detain people who have been processed. Again, I never said I agree with any of this. I'm saying this is how the current laws have been interpreted and upheld till now. > When do they arrive? After they've passed customs. Being inside the custom's office doesn't grant special rights.
  - shakna 9y ago
    > After they've passed customs. I specifically said that is not the case, and BCP say that is not the case, and Congress do not say that is the case. (See U.S. v. Hernandez-Lopez, where 50 miles after passing through customs was still sufficient to allow for detainment by border patrol.) It is an expectation of most travelers, but it is patently false. > Again, I never said I agree with any of this. Neither have I. The law is ambiguous, and practically without restraint. Even when there is restraint, the BCP regularly are not aware, and violate it.