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False equivalence. Your sexual orientation is not a choice. Your political orientation is.
by tchalla 9y ago
False equivalence. Your sexual orientation is not a choice. Your political orientation is.
- rayiner 9y agoReligion is a choice, but you can't refuse to bake a cake for Seventh Day Adventists.
- coldtea 9y ago>Your sexual orientation is not a choice. Who says it's so for everybody? There are millions who insist that their sex orientation is their choice. They can try X, experiment with Z, and whatever. That was part of the idea of "fluid genders" and sexual liberation in the sixties and especially seventies.
- denzil_correa 9y agoNo, people insist that they are free to have ANY sexual orientation. This doesn't make your sexual orientation "a choice".
- megous 9y agoSo have you tried actually believing something politically completely different from what you believe right now? Because it's not really a choice. You can pretend play to advocate for whatever political ideology. The same way you can have sex with women even if you're gay or vice versa. You can choose your sexual behavior. But political orientation is not really a choice. It is perhaps a result of your choices, early influences, social group, etc.
- vacri 9y agoSwing voters, the folks who decide every election in a modern democracy, would disagree with you.
- mantas 9y agoDoes existence of bi-sexuals dimmish existence of gay or straight people?
- paradoja 9y agoI don't think I agree with the grandparent, but usually swing voters don't change their political views, but rather political parties adapt their programs (or rather, propaganda) to appeal to them. So I don't think that's a good example.
- JohnStrange 9y agoThis is independent of anyone's political beliefs, there should be limits to radical jihadists, radical anti-democratic communists, radical anti-democratic fascists of all sort, etc. You can choose to pursue your political aims with non-violent means and practice tolerance. The idea is that you can believe whatever you want, but as soon as you start to propagate violence and pose an active threat against democracy - like e.g. making detailed plans to overthrow the government, advertising that only certain people should be allowed to vote, etc - there should be reasonable limits.
- megous 9y agoI agree. The point is that one's political orientation is not a simple choice no matter how radical. It may not be as fixed as sexual one, though, but still difficult to change. It's kind of a water a person swims in. It's the way he thinks. It's too meta for most people to even think about it as something chooseable.
- danieltillett 9y agoNot that I am any way supporting DS, but political orientation is not very plastic.
- elcapitan 9y agoHow is forcing people to take up a different political view to buy bread better than forcing them to change their sexual preferences to buy bread? That whole protected group thing is completely nuts.
- tchalla 9y agoI just explained how it is different. Political ideology is a choice; sexual orientation is not.
- elcapitan 9y agoSo you voluntarily choose to see the world completely differently, just so that you can buy bread? How is that a choice? It's force. And some people choose different sexual orientations in their life, so how is it not a choice? In both cases the discrimination would just force me to pretend to be something other than I am.
- denzil_correa 9y agoI don't think you still understand. Political choices can change, sexual orientation/race/color of skin doesn't.
- elcapitan 9y agoI understand that this is your dogma, yes. And I understand that you want to legitimize the things you want to force on people. I don't disagree about color, but the way how you can or cannot force people to avoid visibly and openly living their political identity OR their sexual identity is exactly the same, as it is for religion. It's always outside force, forcing you to pretend to be other than you really are.
- frubar 9y agoThis is what a lot of people want to believe but orientation seems to depend more on culture than genes (e.g. Ancient Greece, US Prisons, etc.).
- LinXitoW 9y agoYour sexual orientation might not be a choice, but if and how you express it definitely is. "Oh, yes, Jews are subhuman. One bread please." is on the same level as "I love me some pussy, obviously, because i'm a man. One bread please".
- joering2 9y agoThat will be very sad place when business is forced to service someone even being against it for their personal believe, just because that something is not their choice but rather a set in stone fact. My brother in law is mentally ill.m and his local diving center won't take him for a dive. I have to ask him to sue them for refusal of service based on his sicknes and because his sickness is not his choice.