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There is also an important difference: media piracy can have a somewhat negative image in the eyes of the public, but pirating scientific papers does not. If ac

by a3_nm 9y ago

There is also an important difference: media piracy can have a somewhat negative image in the eyes of the public, but pirating scientific papers does not. If academic publishers attract too much attention with a lawsuit, and more people understand their revenue model, I doubt that the public would be on their side. So maybe this encourages them to be more cautious. In fact, Sci-Hub is not a real threat to academic publishers as long as universities do not cancel their subscriptions because of it. Of course, many universities probably won't want to tell their researchers to just use Sci-Hub (because of legal concerns, and because it could disappear the next day). So leaving Sci-Hub mostly alone may well be a deliberate decision from academic publishers.

Vinnl 9y ago
If they were cautious about attention, I don't think Elsevier would have sued Sci-Hub, as there was a major Streisand effect from that.
- davidgerard 9y ago
  Elsevier know the end game here. It's when, not if, they go full SCO.
  - wand3r 9y ago
    SCO?
    - davidgerard 9y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO/Linux_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO/Linux_controversies
arianvanp 9y ago
My university blocks scihub and I'm every angry about it.
- GauntletWizard 9y ago
  I would begin by a) Naming and shaming your university. That decision is clearly counter to the goals of higher education b) Considering moving to another university. If this one censors access to educational material, what else aren't they telling you?
- kronos29296 9y ago
  Use tor to access the onion domain for scihub (they have one) if you don't already do so.
  - mirimir 9y ago
    Maybe https://scihub22266oqcxt.onion.link https://scihub22266oqcxt.onion.link will work. Or install Tor browser, and use http://scihub22266oqcxt.onion http://scihub22266oqcxt.onion
- fny 9y ago
  Why not just use a VPN?
- executesorder66 9y ago
  That really sucks. I just asked my brother if he can access scihub via his university's network. He checked and said he can. He told me his lecturer told all the students about scihub, and they should use it if they can't access a paper via the university's resources. But the university itself is not allowed to use scihub.
  - drethemadrapper 9y ago
    You should also try use AARRC.info . It is a full-fledged web service with multiple access techniques to flagship academic papers (Elsevier, IEEE, etc) using a solid browser extension. It is also a free service.
- jostmey 9y ago
  What university. That's not what universities should be doing--blocking websites
Cthulhu_ 9y ago
> as long as universities do not cancel their subscriptions because of it I think parties like Elsevier really don't like sci-hub, I can imagine some people / organizations will opt to not pay for Elsevier because of it. Just like how people would opt to not go to the cinema because they've pirated the movie already. The main thing IMO is that more people will agree to "knowledge should be free" than "movies should be free", the former is human advancement, the latter is entertainment.
- SeanDav 9y ago
  > "Just like how people would opt to not go to the cinema because they've pirated the film already." Overall movie attendances are down slightly and can largely be explained by other factors than piracy (ticket prices, confectionery prices, saturated market, movie quality, movie series (Rocky 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 9999), etc). Piracy is a grey area in terms of negative impact, especially in the area of entertainment. Company bosses like to see every instance of piracy as a loss of a ticket sale, but in reality it is far more nuanced than that. In some cases, arguably, film piracy can be a positive effect, in other cases there is no guarantee that the type of person that pirates heavily is the type of person who would pay to see a film in the first place. I can go on, but sufficient to say it is a complicated issue. Disclaimer: I am in no way encouraging piracy or supporting it, but neither do I think it is nearly as evil as often depicted. http://uk.businessinsider.com/movie-theater-attendance-is-declining-as-cord-cutting-becomes-more-popular-2016-9 http://uk.businessinsider.com/movie-theater-attendance-is-de...
- deleted 9y ago
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- fapjacks 9y ago
  Not only human advancement, but I'm pissed off Elsevier is getting rich being the gatekeepers of research my tax dollars paid for.
- upvotinglurker 9y ago
  The entities actually paying Elsevier are mostly college libraries (not individuals). Though librarians tend to be pro open access, college legal counsel is unlikely to let them tell professors/students to use a pirate site (and many of them would not be comfortable doing so, despite not loving companies like Elsevier). And the most vocal professors unfortunately tend to care more about getting the articles they want/need than about promoting knowledge freedom. Therefore, libraries tend to continue paying for those articles to the extent their budgets allow. I am hearing more lately about libraries/universities taking stands (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15006785 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15006785 for example), which is encouraging.
hyperbovine 9y ago
Nah, they are totally suing (http://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i27/Lawsuits-progress-against-Sci-Hub.html http://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i27/Lawsuits-progress-against...). I think part of the reason they are not shut down yet is because Russia. Also, scihub is a huge threat to their business -- they have close to 100% of Elseviers content stored, and greater than 2/3rds of the overall scientific corpus (http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07/sci-hub-s-cache-pirated-papers-so-big-subscription-journals-are-doomed-data-analyst http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07/sci-hub-s-cache-pirat...).

by a3_nm 9y ago

Vinnl 9y ago

If they were cautious about attention, I don't think Elsevier would have sued Sci-Hub, as there was a major Streisand effect from that.

davidgerard 9y ago
Elsevier know the end game here. It's when, not if, they go full SCO.
- wand3r 9y ago
  SCO?
  - davidgerard 9y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO/Linux_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO/Linux_controversies

arianvanp 9y ago

My university blocks scihub and I'm every angry about it.

GauntletWizard 9y ago
I would begin by a) Naming and shaming your university. That decision is clearly counter to the goals of higher education b) Considering moving to another university. If this one censors access to educational material, what else aren't they telling you?
kronos29296 9y ago
Use tor to access the onion domain for scihub (they have one) if you don't already do so.
- mirimir 9y ago
  Maybe https://scihub22266oqcxt.onion.link https://scihub22266oqcxt.onion.link will work. Or install Tor browser, and use http://scihub22266oqcxt.onion http://scihub22266oqcxt.onion
fny 9y ago
Why not just use a VPN?
executesorder66 9y ago
That really sucks. I just asked my brother if he can access scihub via his university's network. He checked and said he can. He told me his lecturer told all the students about scihub, and they should use it if they can't access a paper via the university's resources. But the university itself is not allowed to use scihub.
- drethemadrapper 9y ago
  You should also try use AARRC.info . It is a full-fledged web service with multiple access techniques to flagship academic papers (Elsevier, IEEE, etc) using a solid browser extension. It is also a free service.
jostmey 9y ago
What university. That's not what universities should be doing--blocking websites

Cthulhu_ 9y ago

> as long as universities do not cancel their subscriptions because of it I think parties like Elsevier really don't like sci-hub, I can imagine some people / organizations will opt to not pay for Elsevier because of it. Just like how people would opt to not go to the cinema because they've pirated the movie already. The main thing IMO is that more people will agree to "knowledge should be free" than "movies should be free", the former is human advancement, the latter is entertainment.

SeanDav 9y ago
> "Just like how people would opt to not go to the cinema because they've pirated the film already." Overall movie attendances are down slightly and can largely be explained by other factors than piracy (ticket prices, confectionery prices, saturated market, movie quality, movie series (Rocky 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ... 9999), etc). Piracy is a grey area in terms of negative impact, especially in the area of entertainment. Company bosses like to see every instance of piracy as a loss of a ticket sale, but in reality it is far more nuanced than that. In some cases, arguably, film piracy can be a positive effect, in other cases there is no guarantee that the type of person that pirates heavily is the type of person who would pay to see a film in the first place. I can go on, but sufficient to say it is a complicated issue. Disclaimer: I am in no way encouraging piracy or supporting it, but neither do I think it is nearly as evil as often depicted. http://uk.businessinsider.com/movie-theater-attendance-is-declining-as-cord-cutting-becomes-more-popular-2016-9 http://uk.businessinsider.com/movie-theater-attendance-is-de...
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fapjacks 9y ago
Not only human advancement, but I'm pissed off Elsevier is getting rich being the gatekeepers of research my tax dollars paid for.
upvotinglurker 9y ago
The entities actually paying Elsevier are mostly college libraries (not individuals). Though librarians tend to be pro open access, college legal counsel is unlikely to let them tell professors/students to use a pirate site (and many of them would not be comfortable doing so, despite not loving companies like Elsevier). And the most vocal professors unfortunately tend to care more about getting the articles they want/need than about promoting knowledge freedom. Therefore, libraries tend to continue paying for those articles to the extent their budgets allow. I am hearing more lately about libraries/universities taking stands (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15006785 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15006785 for example), which is encouraging.

hyperbovine 9y ago

Nah, they are totally suing (http://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i27/Lawsuits-progress-against-Sci-Hub.html http://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i27/Lawsuits-progress-against...). I think part of the reason they are not shut down yet is because Russia. Also, scihub is a huge threat to their business -- they have close to 100% of Elseviers content stored, and greater than 2/3rds of the overall scientific corpus (http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07/sci-hub-s-cache-pirated-papers-so-big-subscription-journals-are-doomed-data-analyst http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07/sci-hub-s-cache-pirat...).