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Thanks, I'm referring to events such as the Berkeley Riots [1] where the violence was at least partly incited by Antifa. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017
by gedy 9y ago
Thanks, I'm referring to events such as the Berkeley Riots [1]
where the violence was at least partly incited by Antifa.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests
- mayank 9y agoCorrect. The ACLU is saying they would not defend Antifa if they were arrested for speech inciting violence.
- makomk 9y agoThe ACLU of California is carefully avoiding saying this, and it would be incredibly controversial if they did. After the Berkeley violence where masked antifa grabbed peaceful students they thought might be going to Milo's talk, pepper-sprayed them and beat them with weapons, the student newspaper ran a number of pieces supporting this and calling for future violence. I've seen numerous people on social media blaming the violence in Charlottesville on not taking the Berkeley approach, calling for this to happen at future events, and comparing antifa violence to Allied soldiers fighting the Nazis - including from respectable people in tech I follow who aren't usually political. More mainstream news organisations like CNN shy away from direct calls for violence in their flattering profiles, but they still run them. The idea that antifa violence is wrong seems to be a fringe one in non-right-wing political circles. When the father of the woman murdered in Charlottesville called for peace and forgiveness from all, it was fascinating watching people online try and word their disapproval in ways that didn't seem too disrespectful.
- cc81 9y agoIf Antifa in the US is the similar to the ones in Sweden they will be initiating violence at protests like this. They are usually very prepared and have a lot of experience how to do it. Using violence to fight fascism is what they do even though they usually use non lethal methods. In Sweden they consist of small autonomous groups that harass nazi sympathizer by vandalizing their homes, putting their address on the internet and calling relatives, neighbors and their work etc. Sometimes they have also physically assaulted nazis. In protests they usually throw stones, pepper spray, smoke bombs, urine etc and sometimes try and brawl with their opponents using clubs etc. But I don't know at all what happened at this rally in the US but I would be incredibly surprised if you had one of the biggest white supremacy rally is in a long time in the US and Antifa did NOT try and physically stop it.
- CodeWriter23 9y agoI don't understand fighting fascism with fascism.
- wooter 9y agored shirts vs brown shirts =( and the rest of us get shafted
- mschuster91 9y agoThere is nothing fascist in beating up Nazis.
- generic_user 9y agoPlease do not condone the use of violence against (insert bad people) on HN. That is totally beyond any legitimate conversation and is illegal and morally repugnant.
- mschuster91 9y agoI just said that there is nothing inherently fascist in beating up Nazis. That is not what you claim I said (that I condone violence).
- generic_user 9y agoI think your statement is very short and in the flow of the thread reads poorly if your intention was to say that committing violence can be done by people other then fascists. It reads as an implicit moralization. But your correct that it is not an explicit statement. So if that was not your intention then I rescind my accusation.
- dragonwriter 9y agoNoting that something does not meet the definition of “fascism” isn't condoning it.
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