3 ms·

If you think Nazism, a racist, hateful ideology opposed to the existence of many groups of people, is equivalent to being black in America, we have nothing to d

by bqe 9y ago

If you think Nazism, a racist, hateful ideology opposed to the existence of many groups of people, is equivalent to being black in America, we have nothing to discuss.

JumpCrisscross 9y ago
To add to this, race is a protected class [1]. We carefully and conservatively enumerate the classes a business holding itself out to the public may not discriminate based on. Political ideology is not a protected class almost anywhere in America. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class
- Spivak 9y ago
  Of course, but you're ignoring that protected class status is usually granted when discrimination be so pervasive that it is a burden its recipients. If it becomes commonplace to discriminate against people based on their political ideology then we may very well see the 'political party' protection broadened.
  - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
    There are two discussions encapsulated in your comment. One, should political ideology be a protected class? And two, if so, how would you delineate protected "political ideology," something inherently more difficult to observe than ethnicity or sex, from unprotected views?
    - Spivak 9y ago
      > How would you delineate 'protected ideology'? The same way we deal with sexuality as a protected class, which is to say poorly but better than nothing. > Should political ideology be a protected class? I think it should, I wouldn't have said it was necessary in years past but it really seems like we're heading down a road where people are going to have to signal the 'right' political values in order to get hired.
Spivak 9y ago
I don't. I'm trying to explain that there are limits to 'private businesses can choose not to do businesses with anyone' with a historical example. In small doses businesses can refuse service to classes of people, but when the discrimination is so commonplace that it becomes a burden to those being discriminated against then you may see the creation of a new protected class (or realistically the broadening of an existing one) to make sure they aren't starved or unable to find employment.

by bqe 9y ago

If you think Nazism, a racist, hateful ideology opposed to the existence of many groups of people, is equivalent to being black in America, we have nothing to discuss.

JumpCrisscross 9y ago

To add to this, race is a protected class [1]. We carefully and conservatively enumerate the classes a business holding itself out to the public may not discriminate based on. Political ideology is not a protected class almost anywhere in America. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class

Spivak 9y ago
Of course, but you're ignoring that protected class status is usually granted when discrimination be so pervasive that it is a burden its recipients. If it becomes commonplace to discriminate against people based on their political ideology then we may very well see the 'political party' protection broadened.
- JumpCrisscross 9y ago
  There are two discussions encapsulated in your comment. One, should political ideology be a protected class? And two, if so, how would you delineate protected "political ideology," something inherently more difficult to observe than ethnicity or sex, from unprotected views?
  - Spivak 9y ago
    > How would you delineate 'protected ideology'? The same way we deal with sexuality as a protected class, which is to say poorly but better than nothing. > Should political ideology be a protected class? I think it should, I wouldn't have said it was necessary in years past but it really seems like we're heading down a road where people are going to have to signal the 'right' political values in order to get hired.

Spivak 9y ago

I don't. I'm trying to explain that there are limits to 'private businesses can choose not to do businesses with anyone' with a historical example. In small doses businesses can refuse service to classes of people, but when the discrimination is so commonplace that it becomes a burden to those being discriminated against then you may see the creation of a new protected class (or realistically the broadening of an existing one) to make sure they aren't starved or unable to find employment.