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This is in a way much worse than if they actually changed their policy. With this precedent, it looks like what they're saying now is "we're not policing conten

by y7 9y ago

This is in a way much worse than if they actually changed their policy. With this precedent, it looks like what they're saying now is "we're not policing content, except for when our CEO feels like it". Basically this is a clear act of corruption, given their own proclaimed principles of content neutrality. That the ultimate trigger seems to have been that the removed site said something negative about CloudFlare is also worrying.

jbooth 9y ago
It's better than if they had reverse engineered the policy. Do it or don't do it, but either way, stand by your actions and get outta here with the mealy mouthed BS. IMHO.
- humanrebar 9y ago
  I feel like a lot of Supreme Court decisions are reverse engineered. I'm not sure that bell can be un-rung.
  - jbooth 9y ago
    That's different, the SC isn't an executive body. An executive changing policy and then throwing up their hands, "I have no choice, it's the policy!" is dishonest and doesn't fool anybody.
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vacri 9y ago
> The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology. So basically Cloudflare are removing their services because of libellous statements by the client, not content. This isn't corruption, but Business As Usual. You fuck over your business partners, and they kick back.
derefr 9y ago
Is it corruption when a governor issues a pardon, or a president vetoes a bill? The point of an Executive is to be able to do act-utilitarian evaluations of context, while the organization itself is stuck following rule-utilitarianism.
- ryanx435 9y ago
  How do you feel about bakeries refusing to bake cakes for gay weddings? Pretty sure this is the same concept.
  - jachee 9y ago
    Being a Nazi shithead is a choice. Edit: downvote all you want. Parent is making a false equivalency and I'm just calling them on it.
    - Sacho 9y ago
      How do you know it's a choice? Do you know if people choose what ideologies to align with? Is it a choice to become an addict? Moreover, a notable contingent of the supporters of the current ruling party believe "being gay" to be a choice - would you be comfortable with a law change? I find this distinction to be wholly unconvincing. The reason to carve out exceptions for discrimination against gay people is because they've suffered as a minority - it's a practical matter, not a matter of principle. If you try to apply your "choice" principle, you quickly get into logical trouble - for example, does a child groomed by Nazi parents, who has always supported Nazism, have a "choice" to be a Nazi shithead? What if, a few years from now, we discover a chemical that changes your sexual preferences? Should gays stop being a protected class then? What about religion and political affiliation, also protected classes?
      - jachee 9y ago
        Why are you being a Nazi sympathizer? Edit: To your point, if I must: YES. Looking at someone, or a group of people and choosing hatred is 100.00000% a choice. Just like you choosing to defend Nazi shitheads was a choice.

by y7 9y ago

jbooth 9y ago

It's better than if they had reverse engineered the policy. Do it or don't do it, but either way, stand by your actions and get outta here with the mealy mouthed BS. IMHO.

humanrebar 9y ago
I feel like a lot of Supreme Court decisions are reverse engineered. I'm not sure that bell can be un-rung.
- jbooth 9y ago
  That's different, the SC isn't an executive body. An executive changing policy and then throwing up their hands, "I have no choice, it's the policy!" is dishonest and doesn't fool anybody.

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vacri 9y ago

> The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology. So basically Cloudflare are removing their services because of libellous statements by the client, not content. This isn't corruption, but Business As Usual. You fuck over your business partners, and they kick back.

derefr 9y ago

Is it corruption when a governor issues a pardon, or a president vetoes a bill? The point of an Executive is to be able to do act-utilitarian evaluations of context, while the organization itself is stuck following rule-utilitarianism.

ryanx435 9y ago
How do you feel about bakeries refusing to bake cakes for gay weddings? Pretty sure this is the same concept.
- jachee 9y ago
  Being a Nazi shithead is a choice. Edit: downvote all you want. Parent is making a false equivalency and I'm just calling them on it.
  - Sacho 9y ago
    How do you know it's a choice? Do you know if people choose what ideologies to align with? Is it a choice to become an addict? Moreover, a notable contingent of the supporters of the current ruling party believe "being gay" to be a choice - would you be comfortable with a law change? I find this distinction to be wholly unconvincing. The reason to carve out exceptions for discrimination against gay people is because they've suffered as a minority - it's a practical matter, not a matter of principle. If you try to apply your "choice" principle, you quickly get into logical trouble - for example, does a child groomed by Nazi parents, who has always supported Nazism, have a "choice" to be a Nazi shithead? What if, a few years from now, we discover a chemical that changes your sexual preferences? Should gays stop being a protected class then? What about religion and political affiliation, also protected classes?
    - jachee 9y ago
      Why are you being a Nazi sympathizer? Edit: To your point, if I must: YES. Looking at someone, or a group of people and choosing hatred is 100.00000% a choice. Just like you choosing to defend Nazi shitheads was a choice.