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> but one "terrorist attack" (unplanned murder with a vehicle) occurs in a state in the US and suddenly the gloves are off. > According to the Government Accou

by croon 9y ago

> but one "terrorist attack" (unplanned murder with a vehicle) occurs in a state in the US and suddenly the gloves are off. > According to the Government Accountability Office of the United States, 73% of violent extremist incidents that resulted in deaths since September 12, 2001 were caused by right wing extremists groups.[41][42]

cyanexttuesday 9y ago
It seems hugely disingenuous to leave sept 11 from that.
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- cmurf 9y ago
  9/11 was a foreign in origin. The GAO and the FBI / DHS risk assessments are domestic extremism.
Banthum 9y ago
73% of incidents? This is pure sleight of hand meant to deceive. When incident can be defined arbitrarily and possibly include both a gun massacre and a spray painted swastika as equal events, this stat is incredibly deceptive. What's the ratio when you count deaths? I'm on mobile but iirc it's about 90% killed by Islamic terrorists.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > What's the ratio when you count deaths? I'm on mobile but iirc it's about 90% killed by Islamic terrorists. 53% Islamist, 47% (other, as Islamist actually fit this description too) far-right, 0% other. (So the ratio is closer to 1:1 than the 9:1 you suggest) http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/16/look-data-domestic-terrorism-and-whos-behind-it/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/16/...
  - ZoeZoeBee 9y ago
    That GAO report for all intents and purposes counts any murder by a person affiliated with a right wing group as an act of terror, including prison beatings, death of a homeless man etc and lumps them in with legitimate acts of terror. http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf
    - KirinDave 9y ago
      But that standard is consistent across every group, so you can hardly argue it's unfair when it's universally applied.
      - Banthum 9y ago
        It is unfair if we're talking about terrorism, because prison murders are not terrorism. If we're going to talk about murders in a more general sense, you have to start looking at populations and then note that whites in the US are far, far more prevalent than Muslims.
        croon 9y ago
        > If we're going to talk about murders in a more general sense, you have to start looking at populations and then note that whites in the US are far, far more prevalent than Muslims. But it's not murder in a general sense, it's murder by white supremacists. > It is unfair if we're talking about terrorism, because prison murders are not terrorism. Sure it is, if it's political, ie about white supremacy. Terrorism: > the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
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by croon 9y ago

cyanexttuesday 9y ago

It seems hugely disingenuous to leave sept 11 from that.

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cmurf 9y ago
9/11 was a foreign in origin. The GAO and the FBI / DHS risk assessments are domestic extremism.

Banthum 9y ago

73% of incidents? This is pure sleight of hand meant to deceive. When incident can be defined arbitrarily and possibly include both a gun massacre and a spray painted swastika as equal events, this stat is incredibly deceptive. What's the ratio when you count deaths? I'm on mobile but iirc it's about 90% killed by Islamic terrorists.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> What's the ratio when you count deaths? I'm on mobile but iirc it's about 90% killed by Islamic terrorists. 53% Islamist, 47% (other, as Islamist actually fit this description too) far-right, 0% other. (So the ratio is closer to 1:1 than the 9:1 you suggest) http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/16/look-data-domestic-terrorism-and-whos-behind-it/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/16/...
- ZoeZoeBee 9y ago
  That GAO report for all intents and purposes counts any murder by a person affiliated with a right wing group as an act of terror, including prison beatings, death of a homeless man etc and lumps them in with legitimate acts of terror. http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf
  - KirinDave 9y ago
    But that standard is consistent across every group, so you can hardly argue it's unfair when it's universally applied.
    - Banthum 9y ago
      It is unfair if we're talking about terrorism, because prison murders are not terrorism. If we're going to talk about murders in a more general sense, you have to start looking at populations and then note that whites in the US are far, far more prevalent than Muslims.
      - croon 9y ago
        > If we're going to talk about murders in a more general sense, you have to start looking at populations and then note that whites in the US are far, far more prevalent than Muslims. But it's not murder in a general sense, it's murder by white supremacists. > It is unfair if we're talking about terrorism, because prison murders are not terrorism. Sure it is, if it's political, ie about white supremacy. Terrorism: > the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
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