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Cloudflare refuse to withdraw services to ISIS

by alva 9y ago

jack9 9y ago
It's funny what a company will say, then turn around and do... https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/18/cloudflare_ceo_rubbishes_anonymous_claims_of_terrorist_support/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/18/cloudflare_ceo_rubb... "It's not in CloudFlare's philosophy to just take down sites because management doesn't agree with the content," ...unless the press tells them what their philosophy needs to be? The lesson is that no capitalist company can remain neutral, today. Which has good and bad consequences. It's amazing how the small number of media conglomerates have solidified their political power alongside their commercial power. A true locus of control in Western society.
- MollyR 9y ago
  It's my fear this locus of control or suppression of voices is part of the reason we have an increase in violent rhetoric. I learned an important lesson in 2016, my worldviews are not shared in America outside of big cities. It forced me to realize that I didn't even know people disagreed so fiercely because of media conglomerate created echo bubbles.
  - ausvisaissues 9y ago
    Don't for a moment think it is just a city/rural thing (with a bunch of conservative country bumkins). Many people having non-leftwing ideas simply hide it. Since most workplaces have become politicised and hostile to conservative/right/slightly right of center views, people just hide it. Some people (including me) even engage in fake virtue signalling.
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      > Don't for a moment think it is just a city/rural thing (with a bunch of conservative country bumkins). Polling (both opinion polling and actual elections) show that it is very strongly an urban-vs-other thing.
      - ausvisaissues 9y ago
        I said "just" a rural urban thing. No doubt there are more leftwingers/liberals in cities. But it is not nearly as uniform as your experience would suggest. Polling also said that Hillary would win the election, and brexit won't happen. People, including me, lie to pollsters.
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6nf 9y ago
So actual terrorists are acceptable, but not the website of those guys who killed that one lady last week. Okay.
- ntelson1s 9y ago
  So that guy who drove the car ran the website mentioned? That seems like new news for all of us. I would love a citation.
- matt4077 9y ago
  Are you saying that intentionally driving your car into a group of peaceful pedestrians and killing someone, for political reasons, isn't terrorism?
  - 6nf 9y ago
    ok maybe it is terrorism. But why is ISIS allowed on cloud front?
    - matt4077 9y ago
      Arguably they shouldn't. But just because both X and Y should be done, it's not wrong to do only X, or only Y. I can also sorta understand how the groups in question create a strong(er) emotional reaction. These are hate groups from "our" society. And in the same way that the death of someone close saddens more than a stranger's, seeing a swastika-bearing mob of people who could have gone to school with you may stir more anger than the hate and atrocities committed by strangers–especially if you don't understand their language, and have gotten used to it. If we interpret Cloudflare's action as a symbol, it may also be more effective when used in this case than with ISIS: coming from (in general terms) the same society, such a signal of disapproval is more meaningful. People are social animals, and they are hardwired to seek approval from their peers. No matter how much someone tries to convince themselves that they don't care, it stings when their neighbour stops inviting them to his parties. The same isn't true for ISIS, to whom the people at Cloudflare would have always been "the other side". Plus, obviously, the fact that stormtrooper monthly apparently said that Cloudflare were sympathisers. That statement made it impossible to continue working for them.

Cloudflare refuse to withdraw services to ISIS

by alva 9y ago

Cloudflare refuse to withdraw services to ISIS

It's funny what a company will say, then turn around and do... https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/18/cloudflare_ceo_rubbishes_anonymous_claims_of_terrorist_support/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/18/cloudflare_ceo_rubb... "It's not in CloudFlare's philosophy to just take down sites because management doesn't agree with the content," ...unless the press tells them what their philosophy needs to be? The lesson is that no capitalist company can remain neutral, today. Which has good and bad consequences. It's amazing how the small number of media conglomerates have solidified their political power alongside their commercial power. A true locus of control in Western society.

MollyR 9y ago
It's my fear this locus of control or suppression of voices is part of the reason we have an increase in violent rhetoric. I learned an important lesson in 2016, my worldviews are not shared in America outside of big cities. It forced me to realize that I didn't even know people disagreed so fiercely because of media conglomerate created echo bubbles.
- ausvisaissues 9y ago
  Don't for a moment think it is just a city/rural thing (with a bunch of conservative country bumkins). Many people having non-leftwing ideas simply hide it. Since most workplaces have become politicised and hostile to conservative/right/slightly right of center views, people just hide it. Some people (including me) even engage in fake virtue signalling.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > Don't for a moment think it is just a city/rural thing (with a bunch of conservative country bumkins). Polling (both opinion polling and actual elections) show that it is very strongly an urban-vs-other thing.
    - ausvisaissues 9y ago
      I said "just" a rural urban thing. No doubt there are more leftwingers/liberals in cities. But it is not nearly as uniform as your experience would suggest. Polling also said that Hillary would win the election, and brexit won't happen. People, including me, lie to pollsters.
- deleted 9y ago
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6nf 9y ago

So actual terrorists are acceptable, but not the website of those guys who killed that one lady last week. Okay.

ntelson1s 9y ago
So that guy who drove the car ran the website mentioned? That seems like new news for all of us. I would love a citation.
matt4077 9y ago
Are you saying that intentionally driving your car into a group of peaceful pedestrians and killing someone, for political reasons, isn't terrorism?
- 6nf 9y ago
  ok maybe it is terrorism. But why is ISIS allowed on cloud front?
  - matt4077 9y ago
    Arguably they shouldn't. But just because both X and Y should be done, it's not wrong to do only X, or only Y. I can also sorta understand how the groups in question create a strong(er) emotional reaction. These are hate groups from "our" society. And in the same way that the death of someone close saddens more than a stranger's, seeing a swastika-bearing mob of people who could have gone to school with you may stir more anger than the hate and atrocities committed by strangers–especially if you don't understand their language, and have gotten used to it. If we interpret Cloudflare's action as a symbol, it may also be more effective when used in this case than with ISIS: coming from (in general terms) the same society, such a signal of disapproval is more meaningful. People are social animals, and they are hardwired to seek approval from their peers. No matter how much someone tries to convince themselves that they don't care, it stings when their neighbour stops inviting them to his parties. The same isn't true for ISIS, to whom the people at Cloudflare would have always been "the other side". Plus, obviously, the fact that stormtrooper monthly apparently said that Cloudflare were sympathisers. That statement made it impossible to continue working for them.