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> Our terms of service reserve the right for us to terminate users of our network at our sole discretion. The tipping point for us making this decision was that

> Our terms of service reserve the right for us to terminate users of our network at our sole discretion. The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology. So CloudFlare draws the line of freedom of speech when they feel attacked by words, but it's OK if the content they defend is used to attack and slander others?

nickbauman 9y ago
It could be argued that the mere presence of a Nazi flag as expression is incitement. Not ordinary speech. Naziism is nothing if not clear about violence to people about things that they cannot change about themselves. Skin color. Lineage. It's not like "if you don't do this we have no problem with you" (the Antifa fall into this category. Nazis fall into the former).
- Torgo 9y ago
  Well, the Supreme Court and the law of the land disagrees with you.
  - nickbauman 9y ago
    To be clear this is not my position. I'm not sure what I think on this subject. But this is the reason why Nazi symbols are illegal in some other countries.
  - throwawayjava 9y ago
    Well, German law disagrees with you. (And cloudflare operates internationally.)
- 6nf 9y ago
  Ok maybe but cloudflare hosts actual ISIS content so why is that acceptable?
laumars 9y ago
I don't think that's fair because defamation of character could be applied here. What would you prefer they do, sue the Daily Stormer while continuing to distribute their content? Cutting off their services seems a far more rational approach. At the end of the day Cloudflare are just exercising their own freedoms to accept the business they choose to. The Daily Stormer will (if they haven't already) just switch to another provider so it's not like they're being censored (well, not in any effective way) and everyone is now clear where Cloudflare's position is with regards to The Daily Stormer while very little time was wasted with expensive lawyers. On balance I think this seems a pretty fair outcome for all parties involved.

nickbauman 9y ago

It could be argued that the mere presence of a Nazi flag as expression is incitement. Not ordinary speech. Naziism is nothing if not clear about violence to people about things that they cannot change about themselves. Skin color. Lineage. It's not like "if you don't do this we have no problem with you" (the Antifa fall into this category. Nazis fall into the former).

Torgo 9y ago
Well, the Supreme Court and the law of the land disagrees with you.
- nickbauman 9y ago
  To be clear this is not my position. I'm not sure what I think on this subject. But this is the reason why Nazi symbols are illegal in some other countries.
- throwawayjava 9y ago
  Well, German law disagrees with you. (And cloudflare operates internationally.)
6nf 9y ago
Ok maybe but cloudflare hosts actual ISIS content so why is that acceptable?

laumars 9y ago

I don't think that's fair because defamation of character could be applied here. What would you prefer they do, sue the Daily Stormer while continuing to distribute their content? Cutting off their services seems a far more rational approach. At the end of the day Cloudflare are just exercising their own freedoms to accept the business they choose to. The Daily Stormer will (if they haven't already) just switch to another provider so it's not like they're being censored (well, not in any effective way) and everyone is now clear where Cloudflare's position is with regards to The Daily Stormer while very little time was wasted with expensive lawyers. On balance I think this seems a pretty fair outcome for all parties involved.