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Why is Matthew Sheffield asserting this so strongly? Did Cloudflare make a public statement indicating they deliberately stepped in to drop the site? I can't fi

Why is Matthew Sheffield asserting this so strongly? Did Cloudflare make a public statement indicating they deliberately stepped in to drop the site? I can't find one. The content of the tweet merely makes it seem like the guy's plan simply expired and he failed to renew it. If Cloudflare were actually interested in avoiding alt-right dumpster fires, then I think they would also stop protecting sites like 4chan and 8ch.

kbenson 9y ago
I've often wondered how much of 4chan is actually alt-right and how much is using it as an affect for the lulz?
- DanBC 9y ago
  Also known as the Alf Garnett effect. When you're telling jokes about killing The Jews you're probably just a nazi, not some edgy ironic satirist.
  - Boothroid 9y ago
    So the thought policing extends to humour now does it? Apparently so!
    - kbenson 9y ago
      Your comment makes no sense based on the current conversation, or if it does, you didn't provide enough context to explain and contribute. At least one downvote was explicitly because of that, and nothing to do with your position.
  - kbenson 9y ago
    I get your point, but I'm not sure if it still applies if the joke isn't relying on support for your position, but vehement opposition. And I mean that in the literal sense of I'm really not sure. This type of humor, if not new, seems to have at least been extremely fringe in the past.
  - lurker69 9y ago
    Joke policing is absolutely wrong and one of best indicators at judging how authoritarian people are. Everyone who supports this or pretends that jokes are serious hate speech with intention to suppress someones right for free speech is worst kind of human.
    - kbenson 9y ago
      It's not joke policing to assume some values of an individual based on their speech. It may make people incorrect, but as long as they are making personal decisions, comedians alienating audiences is nothing new. As long as the comedian isn't forced (actually forced, not just incentivized by poor reactions) to stop telling the joke, no censorhip is taking place, and the problem is self correcting.
      - lurker69 9y ago
        Many consider whole Daily Stormer webpage as satire. Majority of their readers read it for its creative but controversial humor. Twitter sat ladies that cry bullied this big IT companies to deny service for Daily Stormer caused webpage to not be accessible. People who enjoyed this style of humor cant enjoy it anymore. This is very definition of censorship. Cat ladies not visiting web page would be enough to not hurt their feelings. Them going out of their way to prevent others to enjoy this is very authoritarian and one of reasons why tragedies happen.
        kbenson 9y ago
        > Twitter sat ladies that cry bullied this big IT companies to deny service for Daily Stormer caused webpage to not be accessible. It's no different than a club cancelling a comedy booking because they don't want that type of comedy at their club, because they don't think their patrons will support it. > People who enjoyed this style of humor cant enjoy it anymore. This is very definition of censorship. No, it's not. They can go somewhere else. They can find a different provider, or publish a pamphlet or go to a street corner. You know what it means as a comedian when you can't book a club? Not enough people are interested in what you have to say to make it worthwhile to give you a pulpit, or at least not enough people to offset the distaste you cause in others. That's not censorship, that's social pressure. Censorship is about ability and rights. Nobody is restricting the ability or rights of the daily stormer. It's still legal to post what they want, and they have avenues to do so (with enough money, they could become their own host). Freedom of speech is just as much about letting the daily stormer say what they want as it is letting cloudfare and others decide they don't want to support it.
- hex12648430 9y ago
  You mean >how much of /pol/ is actually alt-right and how much is using it as an affect for the lulz A lot of people on 4chan are getting tired of /pol/'s shenanigans, constantly putting 4chan in the spotlight and dealing with a constant stream of new users that don't assimilate, destroying the culture of smaller boards.

kbenson 9y ago

I've often wondered how much of 4chan is actually alt-right and how much is using it as an affect for the lulz?

DanBC 9y ago
Also known as the Alf Garnett effect. When you're telling jokes about killing The Jews you're probably just a nazi, not some edgy ironic satirist.
- Boothroid 9y ago
  So the thought policing extends to humour now does it? Apparently so!
  - kbenson 9y ago
    Your comment makes no sense based on the current conversation, or if it does, you didn't provide enough context to explain and contribute. At least one downvote was explicitly because of that, and nothing to do with your position.
- kbenson 9y ago
  I get your point, but I'm not sure if it still applies if the joke isn't relying on support for your position, but vehement opposition. And I mean that in the literal sense of I'm really not sure. This type of humor, if not new, seems to have at least been extremely fringe in the past.
- lurker69 9y ago
  Joke policing is absolutely wrong and one of best indicators at judging how authoritarian people are. Everyone who supports this or pretends that jokes are serious hate speech with intention to suppress someones right for free speech is worst kind of human.
  - kbenson 9y ago
    It's not joke policing to assume some values of an individual based on their speech. It may make people incorrect, but as long as they are making personal decisions, comedians alienating audiences is nothing new. As long as the comedian isn't forced (actually forced, not just incentivized by poor reactions) to stop telling the joke, no censorhip is taking place, and the problem is self correcting.
    - lurker69 9y ago
      Many consider whole Daily Stormer webpage as satire. Majority of their readers read it for its creative but controversial humor. Twitter sat ladies that cry bullied this big IT companies to deny service for Daily Stormer caused webpage to not be accessible. People who enjoyed this style of humor cant enjoy it anymore. This is very definition of censorship. Cat ladies not visiting web page would be enough to not hurt their feelings. Them going out of their way to prevent others to enjoy this is very authoritarian and one of reasons why tragedies happen.
      - kbenson 9y ago
        > Twitter sat ladies that cry bullied this big IT companies to deny service for Daily Stormer caused webpage to not be accessible. It's no different than a club cancelling a comedy booking because they don't want that type of comedy at their club, because they don't think their patrons will support it. > People who enjoyed this style of humor cant enjoy it anymore. This is very definition of censorship. No, it's not. They can go somewhere else. They can find a different provider, or publish a pamphlet or go to a street corner. You know what it means as a comedian when you can't book a club? Not enough people are interested in what you have to say to make it worthwhile to give you a pulpit, or at least not enough people to offset the distaste you cause in others. That's not censorship, that's social pressure. Censorship is about ability and rights. Nobody is restricting the ability or rights of the daily stormer. It's still legal to post what they want, and they have avenues to do so (with enough money, they could become their own host). Freedom of speech is just as much about letting the daily stormer say what they want as it is letting cloudfare and others decide they don't want to support it.
hex12648430 9y ago
You mean >how much of /pol/ is actually alt-right and how much is using it as an affect for the lulz A lot of people on 4chan are getting tired of /pol/'s shenanigans, constantly putting 4chan in the spotlight and dealing with a constant stream of new users that don't assimilate, destroying the culture of smaller boards.