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Attacked the media and placed almost all the blame for American hardships on immigrants?

by mulletbum 9y ago

eggpy 9y ago
'so-called judges' is a terrifying precedent...
- davidreiss 9y ago
  So-called judges once ruled that blacks were property rather than human. We have a long history of "so-called judged". Go read about what lincoln felt about judges.
  - gertef 9y ago
    Disagreeing but obeying with a decision is quite different from denying judicial authority. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/20/lincoln-versus-judicial-supremacy/?utm_term=.776f751813bc https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201... "Supreme Court opinions decide only the individual case before the court, Lincoln argued. They do not bind members of Congress or the President in their political actions. It was thus proper for the other branches of government — and for the people — to resist wrong and harmful decisions of the Supreme Court and to seek to have them reversed and overturned. That was simply part of the Constitution’s system of checks and balances. …"
coffeevradar 9y ago
If you're suggesting that Hitler also placed all of the blame on immigrants, you must mistakenly believe that the Jewish people were immigrants to Germany and Nazi-occupied Europe. This was not the case. The Jewish victims of the Holocaust were targeted for being Jewish, not because they hadn't been born within certain borders.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  Trump's attacks on both Muslims and Hispanics have not been restricted to immigrants (though in the latter case the attack on non-immigrants has been based on their presumed alignment with immigrants of the same ethnicity.) Like Hitler's attacks on, among others, Jews they are treated as alien others even when not immigrants.
- vaishaksuresh 9y ago
  Trump isn't going after immigrants, he is going after brown people and more generally non-white people. It doesn't matter to him if they were born here or came here.
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Consultant32452 9y ago
Hitler placed almost all of the blame for German hardships on the 1% (racial stereotype: Jews). This may also be a good time to point out that Nazi stands for National Socialist.
- orclev 9y ago
  Nazis were not socialists, that was optics. The Nazi party actually got into power in a reaction to an attack that was blamed on communists (burning of the reichstag). Whether it was actually communists, or a false flag by the Nazis to seize power is an ongoing debate without enough evidence either way. What is a matter of record is that the very first thing the Nazis did after seizing power was to round up all the communists, and communist sympathizers (or political rivals they could accuse of being communist sympathizers) and arrest them.
  - Consultant32452 9y ago
    Communists were globalist socialists and the Nazis were nationalist socialists. Hitler went after the communists because he felt they wanted to subjugate Germans under an international Jewish global finance regime (1%ers again).
    - gertef 9y ago
      And the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a "Democratic" "Republic". Don't believe everything everyone says about themselves.
      - passwordreset 9y ago
        Hmmm. I wonder what that means for the "United" States.
        orclev 9y ago
        Well, vaguely revisionist history aside, that was at least part of what the civil war was over. The southern states were upset that the constitution in the case of slavery could override their state powers and ban slavery. The confederate states wanted to rewrite the constitution to strip the federal government of essentially all powers except the power to wage war and the regulation of interstate commerce, essentially blocking it from having any impact on the activities wholly within a state. The Union states of course wanted to keep the constitution as it was (or even strengthen it), that is giving the federal government veto power over states and the ability to enforce human rights guaranteed by the constitution. Thus in one sense the civil war was a fight over a weak vs. strong federal government. When making that argument though it's important not to downplay the importance of slavery as a motivating factor for the confederate states. Many revisionist white supremacists try to make that argument as a way of whitewashing the confederate states actions and trying to re-frame the confederate states motivations as being non-racist, when they were anything but.

Attacked the media and placed almost all the blame for American hardships on immigrants?

eggpy 9y ago

'so-called judges' is a terrifying precedent...

davidreiss 9y ago
So-called judges once ruled that blacks were property rather than human. We have a long history of "so-called judged". Go read about what lincoln felt about judges.
- gertef 9y ago
  Disagreeing but obeying with a decision is quite different from denying judicial authority. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/20/lincoln-versus-judicial-supremacy/?utm_term=.776f751813bc https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201... "Supreme Court opinions decide only the individual case before the court, Lincoln argued. They do not bind members of Congress or the President in their political actions. It was thus proper for the other branches of government — and for the people — to resist wrong and harmful decisions of the Supreme Court and to seek to have them reversed and overturned. That was simply part of the Constitution’s system of checks and balances. …"

coffeevradar 9y ago

If you're suggesting that Hitler also placed all of the blame on immigrants, you must mistakenly believe that the Jewish people were immigrants to Germany and Nazi-occupied Europe. This was not the case. The Jewish victims of the Holocaust were targeted for being Jewish, not because they hadn't been born within certain borders.

dragonwriter 9y ago
Trump's attacks on both Muslims and Hispanics have not been restricted to immigrants (though in the latter case the attack on non-immigrants has been based on their presumed alignment with immigrants of the same ethnicity.) Like Hitler's attacks on, among others, Jews they are treated as alien others even when not immigrants.
vaishaksuresh 9y ago
Trump isn't going after immigrants, he is going after brown people and more generally non-white people. It doesn't matter to him if they were born here or came here.

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Consultant32452 9y ago

Hitler placed almost all of the blame for German hardships on the 1% (racial stereotype: Jews). This may also be a good time to point out that Nazi stands for National Socialist.

orclev 9y ago
Nazis were not socialists, that was optics. The Nazi party actually got into power in a reaction to an attack that was blamed on communists (burning of the reichstag). Whether it was actually communists, or a false flag by the Nazis to seize power is an ongoing debate without enough evidence either way. What is a matter of record is that the very first thing the Nazis did after seizing power was to round up all the communists, and communist sympathizers (or political rivals they could accuse of being communist sympathizers) and arrest them.
- Consultant32452 9y ago
  Communists were globalist socialists and the Nazis were nationalist socialists. Hitler went after the communists because he felt they wanted to subjugate Germans under an international Jewish global finance regime (1%ers again).
  - gertef 9y ago
    And the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a "Democratic" "Republic". Don't believe everything everyone says about themselves.
    - passwordreset 9y ago
      Hmmm. I wonder what that means for the "United" States.
      - orclev 9y ago
        Well, vaguely revisionist history aside, that was at least part of what the civil war was over. The southern states were upset that the constitution in the case of slavery could override their state powers and ban slavery. The confederate states wanted to rewrite the constitution to strip the federal government of essentially all powers except the power to wage war and the regulation of interstate commerce, essentially blocking it from having any impact on the activities wholly within a state. The Union states of course wanted to keep the constitution as it was (or even strengthen it), that is giving the federal government veto power over states and the ability to enforce human rights guaranteed by the constitution. Thus in one sense the civil war was a fight over a weak vs. strong federal government. When making that argument though it's important not to downplay the importance of slavery as a motivating factor for the confederate states. Many revisionist white supremacists try to make that argument as a way of whitewashing the confederate states actions and trying to re-frame the confederate states motivations as being non-racist, when they were anything but.