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PC culture is approaching it's logical conclusion: the metamorphosis into fascism. Aw, come on. Your points were thoughtful and cogent. Casually dropping the f

PC culture is approaching it's logical conclusion: the metamorphosis into fascism. Aw, come on. Your points were thoughtful and cogent. Casually dropping the fascism card discredits your earlier rebuttal and takes the conversation into flamewar territory.

DeepRote 9y ago
Oh jeez, earning your respect for my argument was the entire point! That it hurts to hear doesn't make it wrong. Edit: To twist the knife a bit, your comment could be paraphrased as "You're right, but you said a thing I don't like!" People who support PC culture beat the shit out of people with bats the other day, in case you missed that. People who support PC culture marched and chanted for dead police officers. People who support PC culture have called for violence against the President of the greatest country on earth simply for disagreeing with him. People who support PC culture have called a HOMICIDE case a political weapon. A man was KILLED, and they hand-wave it aside because it doesn't complement their message.
- sillysaurus3 9y ago
  HN has room for free-thinkers. It's a valuable trait that you're questioning authority. But you have to do this thoughtfully and substantively. HN has a lot to offer if you throw your energy into this. I get that it can be impossibly tempting to point out the flaws with the systems around you, but casual fascism comparisons are like throwing a molotov into the crowd of ideas. https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I just saw your edit. Listen, I'm trying to look out for you -- your comments are substantive on other topics. This place is pretty cool, and it's not too stuffy. But you won't get to experience it if you just get yourself banned straight away. It's worth putting in the extra work to make substantive, thoughtful, and ideally emotionless points. It's the way you change smart people's minds on a divisive issue. It's not about being a conformist. But you have to care about putting intellectual gratification above your own ideals. That shared goal leads to all of the quality on HN.
  - DeepRote 9y ago
    "Exercise intellectual gratification by not saying things I don't want to hear!" You should read this whole thread again, from the top down. At this point, you're arguing MY point for me. I've been using HN since 2008, but I value my anonymity quite a bit so I prefer to burn accounts often. Thanks for the primer and advertisement, but in my near decade of experience, HN is an extremely low quality pool of discussion. I've seen entire product demos derailed by people commenting about typos. I've seen mods threaten users with doxing and worse and then delete it afterwards, I've seen comments disappear for no reason, I've seen entire accounts disappear for no reason. I can appreciate your perspective of disagreement. I don't CARE about it, but I can appreciate your time. However, putting HN on a pedestal as some sort of beacon of rational debate is just insane. Years later, I still don't understand what the point of HN even is. Even the censorship here is so inconsistent I can't figure out what they want users to think. Last Note: Comparing something to fascism is completely warranted in this situation. Does PC culture perpetuate a perceived authority (key!) on what is allowable? Then it's a fascist tool. It's not a complex, gray-area. It's very clear to see. I will not reply further, I'll read whatever you reply with, I guess but yeah. Have a good day!
    - sillysaurus3 9y ago
      Um, actually, I just saw https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15028433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15028433 so my earlier comment was a horrible idea. It's doubly frustrating because I try to believe everybody can change for the better, even trolls. But this subthread is only a reminder not to feed them. I hope you'll feel better and figure out some way to channel your energy into positive contributions. Best of luck.
    - dang 9y ago
      We've banned you for violating the site guidelines repeatedly elsewhere, but I want to let any readers who saw it know that the following, of course, is untrue: > I've seen mods threaten users with doxing and worse and then delete it afterwards Pretty ridiculous actually.
      - 9y ago

DeepRote 9y ago

Oh jeez, earning your respect for my argument was the entire point! That it hurts to hear doesn't make it wrong. Edit: To twist the knife a bit, your comment could be paraphrased as "You're right, but you said a thing I don't like!" People who support PC culture beat the shit out of people with bats the other day, in case you missed that. People who support PC culture marched and chanted for dead police officers. People who support PC culture have called for violence against the President of the greatest country on earth simply for disagreeing with him. People who support PC culture have called a HOMICIDE case a political weapon. A man was KILLED, and they hand-wave it aside because it doesn't complement their message.

sillysaurus3 9y ago
HN has room for free-thinkers. It's a valuable trait that you're questioning authority. But you have to do this thoughtfully and substantively. HN has a lot to offer if you throw your energy into this. I get that it can be impossibly tempting to point out the flaws with the systems around you, but casual fascism comparisons are like throwing a molotov into the crowd of ideas. https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I just saw your edit. Listen, I'm trying to look out for you -- your comments are substantive on other topics. This place is pretty cool, and it's not too stuffy. But you won't get to experience it if you just get yourself banned straight away. It's worth putting in the extra work to make substantive, thoughtful, and ideally emotionless points. It's the way you change smart people's minds on a divisive issue. It's not about being a conformist. But you have to care about putting intellectual gratification above your own ideals. That shared goal leads to all of the quality on HN.
- DeepRote 9y ago
  "Exercise intellectual gratification by not saying things I don't want to hear!" You should read this whole thread again, from the top down. At this point, you're arguing MY point for me. I've been using HN since 2008, but I value my anonymity quite a bit so I prefer to burn accounts often. Thanks for the primer and advertisement, but in my near decade of experience, HN is an extremely low quality pool of discussion. I've seen entire product demos derailed by people commenting about typos. I've seen mods threaten users with doxing and worse and then delete it afterwards, I've seen comments disappear for no reason, I've seen entire accounts disappear for no reason. I can appreciate your perspective of disagreement. I don't CARE about it, but I can appreciate your time. However, putting HN on a pedestal as some sort of beacon of rational debate is just insane. Years later, I still don't understand what the point of HN even is. Even the censorship here is so inconsistent I can't figure out what they want users to think. Last Note: Comparing something to fascism is completely warranted in this situation. Does PC culture perpetuate a perceived authority (key!) on what is allowable? Then it's a fascist tool. It's not a complex, gray-area. It's very clear to see. I will not reply further, I'll read whatever you reply with, I guess but yeah. Have a good day!
  - sillysaurus3 9y ago
    Um, actually, I just saw https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15028433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15028433 so my earlier comment was a horrible idea. It's doubly frustrating because I try to believe everybody can change for the better, even trolls. But this subthread is only a reminder not to feed them. I hope you'll feel better and figure out some way to channel your energy into positive contributions. Best of luck.
  - dang 9y ago
    We've banned you for violating the site guidelines repeatedly elsewhere, but I want to let any readers who saw it know that the following, of course, is untrue: > I've seen mods threaten users with doxing and worse and then delete it afterwards Pretty ridiculous actually.
    - 9y ago