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if someone is suprised by this please, do yourself a favor, and become a farmer or something...

by vectorEQ 9y ago

chinathrow 9y ago
But we might still be outraged and boycott their products, all right?
- Dolores12 9y ago
  Isn't this exactly what CIA\NSA would want?
- dsfyu404ed 9y ago
  Nothing is stopping you but that's like saying you want to boycott Monsanto products because of the latest misdeed to make the rounds in the news. You should have assumed Kaspersky was working with Russian intelligence before buying just like you should have assumed Monsanto was evil before buying. Kapersky is one of Russia's top cybersecurity research institutions by default because of the products they sell and the stuff they need to do to make those products. Cooperation with Russian intelligence isn't really optional for them. If they didn't want to cooperate they'd either be infiltrated making it a non-issue or they'd be "convinced". This is no different than Russia not wanting to use Win10 because they assume that the NSA put in feature requests (or created the features themselves without telling anyone at MSFT).
  - chinathrow 9y ago
    > Cooperation with Russian intelligence isn't really optional for them. But that does in no way make it allright - from a consumer perspective. Am I missing something?
    - Jonnax 9y ago
      Sure. But at the same time it would be foolish to assume that Symantec doesn't work with the US security agencies or Sophos doesn't work with British agencies. In the worst case scenario, if the government wanted them to, they would have to hand over anything they work on to continue operating.
      - PeanutCurry 9y ago
        This was my takeaway. My understanding of the top comment in the chain wasn't that we shouldn't be offended. Just that we shouldn't be surprised. It would be like being surprised that Boeing takes orders from the U.S. government sometimes.
      - chinathrow 9y ago
        > Sure. But at the same time it would be foolish to assume that Symantec doesn't work with the US security agencies or Sophos doesn't work with British agencies. But that's not what I said at all. I also condemn all of these agency ties, no matter the country affected.
    - fiatpandas 9y ago
      I think what is confusing you is people are ignoring the point about non-technical consumers and simply using this thread as an opportunity to fluff their crypto-geopolitical feathers and look cool through the use of hyperbole and other techniques. Yes, you have a point. From a consumer's perspective, who may be using their software without realizing it is Russian or has direct ties to Russian state, there should be education and discussion of this fact. Good thing Bloomberg has a broader audience than HN.
have_faith 9y ago
What is obvious to us, isn't obvious to everyone else.
thinkMOAR 9y ago
I had this plan, but somebody recently ruined that by explaining the life of a farmer is also filled with software, copyrights (on software/firmwares etc), DRM etc etc Farmer life isn't very much different from a it techy in a 'technology disappointing' kind of way.
- wand3r 9y ago
  Oh and the copywrite on seeds. Which even if the GMO "patented" Monsanto seeds blow onto your property and grow; can still cause problems for you

if someone is suprised by this please, do yourself a favor, and become a farmer or something...

chinathrow 9y ago

But we might still be outraged and boycott their products, all right?

Dolores12 9y ago
Isn't this exactly what CIA\NSA would want?
dsfyu404ed 9y ago
Nothing is stopping you but that's like saying you want to boycott Monsanto products because of the latest misdeed to make the rounds in the news. You should have assumed Kaspersky was working with Russian intelligence before buying just like you should have assumed Monsanto was evil before buying. Kapersky is one of Russia's top cybersecurity research institutions by default because of the products they sell and the stuff they need to do to make those products. Cooperation with Russian intelligence isn't really optional for them. If they didn't want to cooperate they'd either be infiltrated making it a non-issue or they'd be "convinced". This is no different than Russia not wanting to use Win10 because they assume that the NSA put in feature requests (or created the features themselves without telling anyone at MSFT).
- chinathrow 9y ago
  > Cooperation with Russian intelligence isn't really optional for them. But that does in no way make it allright - from a consumer perspective. Am I missing something?
  - Jonnax 9y ago
    Sure. But at the same time it would be foolish to assume that Symantec doesn't work with the US security agencies or Sophos doesn't work with British agencies. In the worst case scenario, if the government wanted them to, they would have to hand over anything they work on to continue operating.
    - PeanutCurry 9y ago
      This was my takeaway. My understanding of the top comment in the chain wasn't that we shouldn't be offended. Just that we shouldn't be surprised. It would be like being surprised that Boeing takes orders from the U.S. government sometimes.
    - chinathrow 9y ago
      > Sure. But at the same time it would be foolish to assume that Symantec doesn't work with the US security agencies or Sophos doesn't work with British agencies. But that's not what I said at all. I also condemn all of these agency ties, no matter the country affected.
  - fiatpandas 9y ago
    I think what is confusing you is people are ignoring the point about non-technical consumers and simply using this thread as an opportunity to fluff their crypto-geopolitical feathers and look cool through the use of hyperbole and other techniques. Yes, you have a point. From a consumer's perspective, who may be using their software without realizing it is Russian or has direct ties to Russian state, there should be education and discussion of this fact. Good thing Bloomberg has a broader audience than HN.

have_faith 9y ago

What is obvious to us, isn't obvious to everyone else.

thinkMOAR 9y ago

I had this plan, but somebody recently ruined that by explaining the life of a farmer is also filled with software, copyrights (on software/firmwares etc), DRM etc etc Farmer life isn't very much different from a it techy in a 'technology disappointing' kind of way.

wand3r 9y ago
Oh and the copywrite on seeds. Which even if the GMO "patented" Monsanto seeds blow onto your property and grow; can still cause problems for you