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This is a pretty thin slippery slope argument. No one is arguing the Republican Party are literally terrorists. The idea that they often flirt with white nation

This is a pretty thin slippery slope argument. No one is arguing the Republican Party are literally terrorists. The idea that they often flirt with white nationalists far more than they should is not tantamount to a call for banning their websites. It is a call to hold them accountable for their words and actions.

themgt 9y ago
Here is Markos Moulitsas[1], founder of DailyKos and Vox Media: "NRA and American conservatives/Nazis are one and the same." [1] https://twitter.com/markos/status/896760610242912260 https://twitter.com/markos/status/896760610242912260
- rtpg 9y ago
  Soooo many people say BLM is the same as ISIS. It's not policy
- ebola1717 9y ago
  I mean yes, with 140 characters, you get some hyperboles. Before 2017, when we said someone was basically a Nazi, we didn't mean it literally. It'll take some time for our lexicon to catch up, but that doesn't mean this Tweet is saying there's literally no difference between the NRA and the KKK.
  - jaredklewis 9y ago
    Sounds like he is saying the NRA and conservatives are Nazis to me. The same kind of garbage deranged conservatives said about Obama throughout his presidency. This "hyperbole" or sometimes "humor" defense is often pulled out to justify all crazy things said by Trump, conservative talk radio hosts, and so on. Always leaves a bad taste in my mouth. This is serious stuff. Should we be exaggerating it or joking about it? If we assume Moulitsas' tweet is hyperbole, the nicest thing you can say about the tweet is that it is completely devoid of content, as apparently its only assertion is just hyperbole. In which case Moulitsas was just name calling. I feel as liberals we have strong, rational arguments as to why conservative policies and ideology are harmful to our society. Let's stick to those and drop the name calling.
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      > Sounds like he is saying the NRA and conservatives are Nazis to me. The NRA, recently, has taken a hard shift in the alt-right direction recently; they are clearly, area minimum, drawing inspiration from and making common cause with the Nazi and affiliated organizations gaining power on the right.
      - jaredklewis 9y ago
        Call me when the NRA starts advocating genocide. I have no love for the NRA, but comparing people and groups with the Nazis is a rhetorical disease. People have increasingly become unable to differentiate between ideas they disagree with and genocide.
convery 9y ago
I think what annoys people is the doublestandards, as in that people on the right have to regularly denounce the radical elements while the extremes on the other side often gets a pass. As we saw over the weekend, even moderate pacifists that condemned all political violence and the president were labeled sympathizers because they didn't denounce the 'bad guys' hard enough.
- CaptainZapp 9y ago
  This may get me downvoted to oblivion, but here we go anyway: and the president were labeled sympathizers After the president's press conference yesterday, there can't be any doubt that he's very, very chummy with some of the vilest elements of society.
  - ZeroGravitas 9y ago
    The president appeared on the Alex Jones show to drum up support during the election. Alex Jones said that the Nazi protestors at Charlottesville were actually Jewish actors. http://www.newsweek.com/nazis-charlottesville-were-jewish-actors-dressed-discredit-white-supremacists-650718 http://www.newsweek.com/nazis-charlottesville-were-jewish-ac... So, yeah.
- pfisch 9y ago
  I mean one side was literally advocating the extermination of all/most minorities in this country and chanting things along those lines. If there are people chanting and advocating the extermination of all white people on the left I haven't really been exposed to it, and I'm 100% confident that around 99% of people on the left would denounce it in a heartbeat.
- zimpenfish 9y ago
  > the president were labeled sympathizers He has a decades-long reputation for being anti-POC. I'd be amazed if he wasn't a sympathiser with the people sharing the same views (and still most everything he says and does points to him being a sympathiser.)

themgt 9y ago

Here is Markos Moulitsas[1], founder of DailyKos and Vox Media: "NRA and American conservatives/Nazis are one and the same." [1] https://twitter.com/markos/status/896760610242912260 https://twitter.com/markos/status/896760610242912260

rtpg 9y ago
Soooo many people say BLM is the same as ISIS. It's not policy
ebola1717 9y ago
I mean yes, with 140 characters, you get some hyperboles. Before 2017, when we said someone was basically a Nazi, we didn't mean it literally. It'll take some time for our lexicon to catch up, but that doesn't mean this Tweet is saying there's literally no difference between the NRA and the KKK.
- jaredklewis 9y ago
  Sounds like he is saying the NRA and conservatives are Nazis to me. The same kind of garbage deranged conservatives said about Obama throughout his presidency. This "hyperbole" or sometimes "humor" defense is often pulled out to justify all crazy things said by Trump, conservative talk radio hosts, and so on. Always leaves a bad taste in my mouth. This is serious stuff. Should we be exaggerating it or joking about it? If we assume Moulitsas' tweet is hyperbole, the nicest thing you can say about the tweet is that it is completely devoid of content, as apparently its only assertion is just hyperbole. In which case Moulitsas was just name calling. I feel as liberals we have strong, rational arguments as to why conservative policies and ideology are harmful to our society. Let's stick to those and drop the name calling.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > Sounds like he is saying the NRA and conservatives are Nazis to me. The NRA, recently, has taken a hard shift in the alt-right direction recently; they are clearly, area minimum, drawing inspiration from and making common cause with the Nazi and affiliated organizations gaining power on the right.
    - jaredklewis 9y ago
      Call me when the NRA starts advocating genocide. I have no love for the NRA, but comparing people and groups with the Nazis is a rhetorical disease. People have increasingly become unable to differentiate between ideas they disagree with and genocide.

convery 9y ago

I think what annoys people is the doublestandards, as in that people on the right have to regularly denounce the radical elements while the extremes on the other side often gets a pass. As we saw over the weekend, even moderate pacifists that condemned all political violence and the president were labeled sympathizers because they didn't denounce the 'bad guys' hard enough.

CaptainZapp 9y ago
This may get me downvoted to oblivion, but here we go anyway: and the president were labeled sympathizers After the president's press conference yesterday, there can't be any doubt that he's very, very chummy with some of the vilest elements of society.
- ZeroGravitas 9y ago
  The president appeared on the Alex Jones show to drum up support during the election. Alex Jones said that the Nazi protestors at Charlottesville were actually Jewish actors. http://www.newsweek.com/nazis-charlottesville-were-jewish-actors-dressed-discredit-white-supremacists-650718 http://www.newsweek.com/nazis-charlottesville-were-jewish-ac... So, yeah.
pfisch 9y ago
I mean one side was literally advocating the extermination of all/most minorities in this country and chanting things along those lines. If there are people chanting and advocating the extermination of all white people on the left I haven't really been exposed to it, and I'm 100% confident that around 99% of people on the left would denounce it in a heartbeat.
zimpenfish 9y ago
> the president were labeled sympathizers He has a decades-long reputation for being anti-POC. I'd be amazed if he wasn't a sympathiser with the people sharing the same views (and still most everything he says and does points to him being a sympathiser.)