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> but I certainly don't know that it will be more, equally, or less productive with these culture changes. Nor does Damore. In Damore's memo, the table of lef

> but I certainly don't know that it will be more, equally, or less productive with these culture changes. Nor does Damore. In Damore's memo, the table of left vs right bias was ridiculous, even if we agree on those biases, which we don't, I'd argue why use those, and why pick n number of biases and leave out others? This isn't a rigorous paper. The toy hypothetical following the table is such a overly simple contrivance, are we supposed to be taking this seriously? So many assertions... Perhaps the bar is too low at Google.

josteink 9y ago
> This isn't a rigorous paper. To be fair... How often do you create "a rigorous paper" before you engage in an internal discussion at your company? Is that the standard? And if so, when do you have time to do actual work? Try at least not to have completely unreasonable expectations.
- mandevil 9y ago
  Nope. You are wrong. Here's why: Damore is not the first time any of the women who work at Google encountered this sort of idea. He isn't even the hundreth person any of them would have encountered telling them that they are simply inferior.[1] It might have been the first time that HE argued it, but surely the female engineers he was talking about (but not to) have seen it all before. So it was incumbent upon Damore to do a lot of work, and come up with something both rigorous and novel. If he didn't, and he still thought that rehashing a whole bunch of stuff that had been discussed before was sufficient to "advance the conversation" about such a controversial topic he is an idiot who deserved to be fired and forgotten. The nicest way to say this is the way one of the women the TFA put it: 'a general lack of consideration for his female colleagues.' Then again, she has a lifetime of politely dealing with male chauvinist idiots, and has learned that calling them out doesn't get her far. [1] Source: my own life experience.
  - state_less 9y ago
    Pretty much this. If you are going to write on such a controversial topic and don't want to be seen as a self absorbed attention seeking polemicist [1], you ought to be more careful. In other words, you need to hold yourself to a higher standard than normal office write-ups. Otherwise, you take an unnecessary risk drawing the wrong conclusions and do a lot of inadvertent harm to your fellow human. [1] Still learning to politely deal with male chauvinist idiots.

josteink 9y ago

> This isn't a rigorous paper. To be fair... How often do you create "a rigorous paper" before you engage in an internal discussion at your company? Is that the standard? And if so, when do you have time to do actual work? Try at least not to have completely unreasonable expectations.

mandevil 9y ago
Nope. You are wrong. Here's why: Damore is not the first time any of the women who work at Google encountered this sort of idea. He isn't even the hundreth person any of them would have encountered telling them that they are simply inferior.[1] It might have been the first time that HE argued it, but surely the female engineers he was talking about (but not to) have seen it all before. So it was incumbent upon Damore to do a lot of work, and come up with something both rigorous and novel. If he didn't, and he still thought that rehashing a whole bunch of stuff that had been discussed before was sufficient to "advance the conversation" about such a controversial topic he is an idiot who deserved to be fired and forgotten. The nicest way to say this is the way one of the women the TFA put it: 'a general lack of consideration for his female colleagues.' Then again, she has a lifetime of politely dealing with male chauvinist idiots, and has learned that calling them out doesn't get her far. [1] Source: my own life experience.
- state_less 9y ago
  Pretty much this. If you are going to write on such a controversial topic and don't want to be seen as a self absorbed attention seeking polemicist [1], you ought to be more careful. In other words, you need to hold yourself to a higher standard than normal office write-ups. Otherwise, you take an unnecessary risk drawing the wrong conclusions and do a lot of inadvertent harm to your fellow human. [1] Still learning to politely deal with male chauvinist idiots.