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Are you that desperate for a God that you recoil when scientists and mathematicians find a natural explanation for some phenomenon? The more you break apart th

Are you that desperate for a God that you recoil when scientists and mathematicians find a natural explanation for some phenomenon? The more you break apart the world through science, the more you realize that even the simplest of rulesets can give rise to an incredibly complex network of of structure, behavior, and incentives — no deity required. Enjoy your ever-shrinking God of the Gaps.

nashashmi 9y ago
There is nothing natural about a dung learning to navigate using the stars. Nothing that great either. A creature will always try to figure its way using objects as a reference point. An incredibly complex network of structures is more proof of a higher order. Enjoy your belief in a perpetually self-correcting field of science and a perception of the world that never ceases to change. By definition, you'll never find peace.
- gnaritas 9y ago
  > There is nothing natural about a dung learning to navigate using the stars. Yes there is, it's perfectly natural as was just explained to you above. No magic required, simple evolution. > An incredibly complex network of structures is more proof of a higher order. No, it isn't. It's well established that very simple rules can create incredibly complex network of structures with no higher order whatsoever. > Enjoy your belief in a perpetually self-correcting field of science and a perception of the world that never ceases to change. By definition, you'll never find peace. Nonsense. If you require iron age superstition to achieve peace, that's you; others don't have that requirement.
  - nashashmi 9y ago
    I honestly wished you made better backup points to your arguments. I'm left with nothing to go on as it is now. Not natural does not imply magic. Nature by my reasoning is magical though. Simple rules fail in the subject of the Heisenberg principle.
    - Retric 9y ago
      Heisenberg principle is not magical, it's not just the way you are used to looking at the world. CPU designers on the other hand really do need to pay attention as it's a significant real world issue for them. Past that, Quantium computing actually uses the Heisenberg principle while producing very consistent results.
      - nashashmi 9y ago
        I wasn't alluding to magic. And I meant to point out ToE as a formula that is not simple by any means, rarely referred to as God formula. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything
    - gnaritas 9y ago
      > I honestly wished you made better backup points to your arguments. I'm left with nothing to go on as it is now. I don't need to, you either understand evolution or you don't; it's not an opinion to be argued, it is how the world works. There's nothing you can refute, any refutation is simply evidence you do not understand the facts of reality. You can't argue with someone who denies evolution, their mind doesn't value facts. > Nature by my reasoning is magical though. Then your reasoning is flawed. Magic is that which breaks the rules of nature, like your god for example. Nature is not magical, the natural world is the very definition of not magic. > Simple rules fail in the subject of the Heisenberg principle. You don't understand evolution, you're nowhere near ready to approach the topic of quantum mechanics.
      - nashashmi 9y ago
        I give up. An atheist is not an atheist by logic. But rather by arrogance and ignorance. And the nature of your tone seems to prove it. My only advice is to tone down your hate and aversion to all things theological and reduce your pride in the explanation of science. Because when it gets old and stale and the excitement wears off, you will see things in a more "connected sense." Like theology is just another version of science kind of thing.

nashashmi 9y ago

There is nothing natural about a dung learning to navigate using the stars. Nothing that great either. A creature will always try to figure its way using objects as a reference point. An incredibly complex network of structures is more proof of a higher order. Enjoy your belief in a perpetually self-correcting field of science and a perception of the world that never ceases to change. By definition, you'll never find peace.

gnaritas 9y ago
> There is nothing natural about a dung learning to navigate using the stars. Yes there is, it's perfectly natural as was just explained to you above. No magic required, simple evolution. > An incredibly complex network of structures is more proof of a higher order. No, it isn't. It's well established that very simple rules can create incredibly complex network of structures with no higher order whatsoever. > Enjoy your belief in a perpetually self-correcting field of science and a perception of the world that never ceases to change. By definition, you'll never find peace. Nonsense. If you require iron age superstition to achieve peace, that's you; others don't have that requirement.
- nashashmi 9y ago
  I honestly wished you made better backup points to your arguments. I'm left with nothing to go on as it is now. Not natural does not imply magic. Nature by my reasoning is magical though. Simple rules fail in the subject of the Heisenberg principle.
  - Retric 9y ago
    Heisenberg principle is not magical, it's not just the way you are used to looking at the world. CPU designers on the other hand really do need to pay attention as it's a significant real world issue for them. Past that, Quantium computing actually uses the Heisenberg principle while producing very consistent results.
    - nashashmi 9y ago
      I wasn't alluding to magic. And I meant to point out ToE as a formula that is not simple by any means, rarely referred to as God formula. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything
  - gnaritas 9y ago
    > I honestly wished you made better backup points to your arguments. I'm left with nothing to go on as it is now. I don't need to, you either understand evolution or you don't; it's not an opinion to be argued, it is how the world works. There's nothing you can refute, any refutation is simply evidence you do not understand the facts of reality. You can't argue with someone who denies evolution, their mind doesn't value facts. > Nature by my reasoning is magical though. Then your reasoning is flawed. Magic is that which breaks the rules of nature, like your god for example. Nature is not magical, the natural world is the very definition of not magic. > Simple rules fail in the subject of the Heisenberg principle. You don't understand evolution, you're nowhere near ready to approach the topic of quantum mechanics.
    - nashashmi 9y ago
      I give up. An atheist is not an atheist by logic. But rather by arrogance and ignorance. And the nature of your tone seems to prove it. My only advice is to tone down your hate and aversion to all things theological and reduce your pride in the explanation of science. Because when it gets old and stale and the excitement wears off, you will see things in a more "connected sense." Like theology is just another version of science kind of thing.