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I think he was just asking official investigation to see if there are problems: 1. he made point about ideological echo chamber and wanted everyone to look to s

by e9 9y ago

I think he was just asking official investigation to see if there are problems: 1. he made point about ideological echo chamber and wanted everyone to look to see if it's true 2. he saw potentially illegal practices, produced what you call a book report and asked this to be officially discussed to figure out if there is any merit to it I see it as honest call for discussion but everyone is treating this as some malicious attempt to exercise sexism. We are all educated and civil people please have some dignity and apply Hanlon's razor to these kind of things: "Don't assume bad intentions over neglect and misunderstanding." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

jacquesm 9y ago
Your '2' all by itself if you are not invited to do so by your employer is most likely going to get you fired especially if you document said potential illegal practices in a widely shared memo. Most companies would - right or not - try to keep their dirty laundry indoors and the right way to deal with such stuff is to first try to take it up the chain and if you are ignored you can decide if you're brave enough to become a whistle blower with all the fine consequences that tends to have, one of the most likely results of which is that you will find yourself suddenly unemployed and if you're unlucky also unemployable.
- arcticfox 9y ago
  This type of discussion is protected by law, which is why Damore is suing Google. Also he didn't leak the memo, merely posted it on an internal board which has the intent of discussion; someone else made it public.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    Sure. I'm not saying google is right. All I'm saying is that the consequences of these actions are quite predictable. Also: regardless of the actual outcome, going to court is not a guarantee either way.
- josteink 9y ago
  > a widely shared memo. He didn't widely share his memo. Someone else inside Google leaked it to Gizmodo, which widely misrepresented it and started this shitstorm. Who gets the blame in such scenarios? Is it still fair to fire the original author?
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    When you write a memo and distribute it to a group as large as he did you can bet that it will go much further and in fact the usual goal of writing such memos is to aim for widespread distribution. So, tip for future memo writers: stay in control of the narrative. That's easier said than done. > Is it still fair to fire the original author? That's a moot point, companies do not like political activism within their ranks whether or not it spreads to the outside world and affects the image of the company in a negative way or not. But when and if it does you can be pretty sure heads will roll. Second tip: If you do wish to write that memo try to get buy-in from your higher ups (and in writing) before releasing your memo to your peers. Third tip: don't do it. Unless your position is absolutely ironclad and you don't care about your future employment writing memos will probably not make a difference in a positive way and there is plenty of downside with the memo writer holding the bag in almost all cases, especially when such memos target controversial subjects, they will almost certainly end up being used for political football.

by e9 9y ago

jacquesm 9y ago

Your '2' all by itself if you are not invited to do so by your employer is most likely going to get you fired especially if you document said potential illegal practices in a widely shared memo. Most companies would - right or not - try to keep their dirty laundry indoors and the right way to deal with such stuff is to first try to take it up the chain and if you are ignored you can decide if you're brave enough to become a whistle blower with all the fine consequences that tends to have, one of the most likely results of which is that you will find yourself suddenly unemployed and if you're unlucky also unemployable.

arcticfox 9y ago
This type of discussion is protected by law, which is why Damore is suing Google. Also he didn't leak the memo, merely posted it on an internal board which has the intent of discussion; someone else made it public.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  Sure. I'm not saying google is right. All I'm saying is that the consequences of these actions are quite predictable. Also: regardless of the actual outcome, going to court is not a guarantee either way.
josteink 9y ago
> a widely shared memo. He didn't widely share his memo. Someone else inside Google leaked it to Gizmodo, which widely misrepresented it and started this shitstorm. Who gets the blame in such scenarios? Is it still fair to fire the original author?
- jacquesm 9y ago
  When you write a memo and distribute it to a group as large as he did you can bet that it will go much further and in fact the usual goal of writing such memos is to aim for widespread distribution. So, tip for future memo writers: stay in control of the narrative. That's easier said than done. > Is it still fair to fire the original author? That's a moot point, companies do not like political activism within their ranks whether or not it spreads to the outside world and affects the image of the company in a negative way or not. But when and if it does you can be pretty sure heads will roll. Second tip: If you do wish to write that memo try to get buy-in from your higher ups (and in writing) before releasing your memo to your peers. Third tip: don't do it. Unless your position is absolutely ironclad and you don't care about your future employment writing memos will probably not make a difference in a positive way and there is plenty of downside with the memo writer holding the bag in almost all cases, especially when such memos target controversial subjects, they will almost certainly end up being used for political football.