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I don’t think it’s negative to private schools to say the statistics reflect selection bias rather than apples-to-apples comparisons. I generally take people s

by TimPC 9y ago

I don’t think it’s negative to private schools to say the statistics reflect selection bias rather than apples-to-apples comparisons. I generally take people saying ‘I wish I could force people to read X’ as ‘I’m frustrated I always have to deal with people who don’t understand important concept from X’ and not ‘I actually want to hold a gun to someone’s head until they finish reading this.’ I agree on good and bad public and private schools, but I think the key point is that they aren’t the order of the schools ranking on some standardized test or statistical measure.

oldandtired 9y ago
The negative bias was the apparent opposition to some government funding. Whether government funding is appropriate is a matter for discussion, but for another day. When I see or hear people saying "I wish I could force people to do blah blah blah", it has always been an indicator to mean that they only regard their own opinion as having any worth. If on the other hand, they say something like "this is well worth reading for the following reasons, blah blah blah", then its an indicator to me that there is a viewpoint that can be looked even if you don't agree. As I do on a daily basis, I may encourage people to look at specific things and I can argue with the best/worst of them. But if someone has no inclination or desire (for whatever reason) to look at specific subjects that is their choice. I'll state my piece and if they are not interested then that's where it ends. Ranking of schools has been attempted before and as far as I can tell, it hasn't really amounted to any valid standard test or measure. When I was in senior secondary school (many decades ago now), our deputy principal was heavily involved in the development of a standardised testing regime for all schools (private and public) in the state. As students, we had the opportunity to pin him to the wall and find out how it was supposed to operate. The upshot was that the system could be gamed in both positive and negative ways and that its sole purpose was to provide a measure by which students in the state could be culled from the higher education market. The comparison he gave was to compare what was happening in the USA at that time and how to prevent the worst aspects of the USA education from ever occurring here. In some senses that has been successful, but only in some areas.

by TimPC 9y ago

oldandtired 9y ago

The negative bias was the apparent opposition to some government funding. Whether government funding is appropriate is a matter for discussion, but for another day. When I see or hear people saying "I wish I could force people to do blah blah blah", it has always been an indicator to mean that they only regard their own opinion as having any worth. If on the other hand, they say something like "this is well worth reading for the following reasons, blah blah blah", then its an indicator to me that there is a viewpoint that can be looked even if you don't agree. As I do on a daily basis, I may encourage people to look at specific things and I can argue with the best/worst of them. But if someone has no inclination or desire (for whatever reason) to look at specific subjects that is their choice. I'll state my piece and if they are not interested then that's where it ends. Ranking of schools has been attempted before and as far as I can tell, it hasn't really amounted to any valid standard test or measure. When I was in senior secondary school (many decades ago now), our deputy principal was heavily involved in the development of a standardised testing regime for all schools (private and public) in the state. As students, we had the opportunity to pin him to the wall and find out how it was supposed to operate. The upshot was that the system could be gamed in both positive and negative ways and that its sole purpose was to provide a measure by which students in the state could be culled from the higher education market. The comparison he gave was to compare what was happening in the USA at that time and how to prevent the worst aspects of the USA education from ever occurring here. In some senses that has been successful, but only in some areas.