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Could you please at least try to think how this looks to people with other opinions on this subject? This kind of attitude makes people move further in the othe

by alecco 9y ago

Could you please at least try to think how this looks to people with other opinions on this subject? This kind of attitude makes people move further in the other direction. I wish HN to still be a place for rational discussion. Remember, the content here is made by the users. For free.

dang 9y ago
I'm afraid I'm not following you. I see plenty of opinions on this subject in this thread, as in the other threads. The main difference in this one is that the comments are more civil and substantive across the spectrum of opinions. That's a great thing. Perhaps it feels to you like HN moderation is ideologically driven, but that's not so. It does feel that way, unfortunately, to most ideologically committed users. There doesn't seem to be anything we can do about it; everyone jumps to the conclusion that the deck is stacked against them, and the comments about this tend to be much the same regardless of the ideology of the commenter. Indeed the evils of HN moderation seem to be the only thing they all agree on! This bothered me for a few years but eventually there's little sense in being bothered by an optical illusion. More about this in the many comments at https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment&query=by:dang%20bias https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=...
- alecco 9y ago
  > I see plenty of opinions on this subject in this thread, as in the other threads Funny, I see a dominant opinion in the other (flagged) threads and an another dominant opinion in this one. 1695 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14952787 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14952787 754 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15009759 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15009759 590 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14968626 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14968626 448 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14959601 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14959601
  - dang 9y ago
    Those threads were all extremely active and most if not all spent significant time on HN's front page, so I'm not sure what your point is? More generally: these perceptions are strongly in the eye of the beholder. I guarantee you that someone with opposite views to yours sees the opposite bias on HN. This obviously doesn't vary with HN, but it does vary with the perceiver—specifically with the perceiver's beliefs and their intensity. It comes down to sample bias and other cognitive biases. Even the most perfectly even-handedly moderated site (which I'm not saying HN is!) would get all the same perceptions and accusations.
    - alecco 9y ago
      Significant time? I don't recall it that way. Had to find them via algolia.
      - curtis 9y ago
        They might have been discoverable via the "comments" link (lots of active comments still going on) well after the stories have dropped off the front page. I have also been checking the Algolia "Last 24h" view to find flagged discussions that I missed, however.
        chippy 9y ago
        I found most of these threads via comments and active.

by alecco 9y ago

dang 9y ago

I'm afraid I'm not following you. I see plenty of opinions on this subject in this thread, as in the other threads. The main difference in this one is that the comments are more civil and substantive across the spectrum of opinions. That's a great thing. Perhaps it feels to you like HN moderation is ideologically driven, but that's not so. It does feel that way, unfortunately, to most ideologically committed users. There doesn't seem to be anything we can do about it; everyone jumps to the conclusion that the deck is stacked against them, and the comments about this tend to be much the same regardless of the ideology of the commenter. Indeed the evils of HN moderation seem to be the only thing they all agree on! This bothered me for a few years but eventually there's little sense in being bothered by an optical illusion. More about this in the many comments at https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment&query=by:dang%20bias https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&prefix&page=0&dateRange=...

alecco 9y ago
> I see plenty of opinions on this subject in this thread, as in the other threads Funny, I see a dominant opinion in the other (flagged) threads and an another dominant opinion in this one. 1695 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14952787 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14952787 754 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15009759 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15009759 590 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14968626 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14968626 448 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14959601 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14959601
- dang 9y ago
  Those threads were all extremely active and most if not all spent significant time on HN's front page, so I'm not sure what your point is? More generally: these perceptions are strongly in the eye of the beholder. I guarantee you that someone with opposite views to yours sees the opposite bias on HN. This obviously doesn't vary with HN, but it does vary with the perceiver—specifically with the perceiver's beliefs and their intensity. It comes down to sample bias and other cognitive biases. Even the most perfectly even-handedly moderated site (which I'm not saying HN is!) would get all the same perceptions and accusations.
  - alecco 9y ago
    Significant time? I don't recall it that way. Had to find them via algolia.
    - curtis 9y ago
      They might have been discoverable via the "comments" link (lots of active comments still going on) well after the stories have dropped off the front page. I have also been checking the Algolia "Last 24h" view to find flagged discussions that I missed, however.
      - chippy 9y ago
        I found most of these threads via comments and active.