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The feminist movement as a whole is very much against gendered norms about who should and shouldn't be a kindergarten teacher. Which feminist movements did you

The feminist movement as a whole is very much against gendered norms about who should and shouldn't be a kindergarten teacher. Which feminist movements did you see fanning these particular flames?

ryanx435 9y ago
3rd wave, whose actions betray their true goals: men as second class citizens.
- dang 9y ago
  Please keep ideological talking points off HN. If you have a substantive point to make, make it thoughtfully; otherwise please don't comment until you do.
  - rublev 9y ago
    The onus is on you to disprove them, they made no irrational claims. If you have some problem with any of their concepts, say so. Your attack on whether his comment is 'thoughtful' or not is weak.
    - igravious 9y ago
      If you could point out to us here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-wave_feminism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-wave_feminism where it says that all so-called or self-described third wave feminists see men as second class citizens that would be super helpful in this debate.
      - dang 9y ago
        Please don't take HN threads further down generic ideological rabbit holes, or rather black holes. Nothing good comes of them and the thread never returns.
        igravious 9y ago
        Understood. No problem.
      - rublev 9y ago
        There we go. Thanks.
    - dang 9y ago
      As a moderator here I'm commenting purely procedurally. The comment breaks the HN guidelines and when people do that we ask them not to.
belorn 9y ago
To be fair, movements are generally made up from people self-identify as members and thus movements get judged based on what those people say. This happened in Sweden, and in one article I recall reading the comment that "there is no need for male kindergarten teachers" from local politician from the left block which identify as feminist (current left block call themselves as a feminist government). The left block was also in power during that time which created those restriction for male teachers. One argument used to defend those restriction was that science showed that most criminals of this kind is male, and thus argued that male employees were higher risk. It would be hard to say anything about "The feminist movement as a whole". At the time, no movement was stepping up in support of the male kindergarten teachers.
rainbowmverse 9y ago
Like with all movements, there are a lot of people who join on and don't seem to really understand it. Intersectionality is catching on among feminists, but "men bad, women good" is still a way too common sentiment.

The feminist movement as a whole is very much against gendered norms about who should and shouldn't be a kindergarten teacher. Which feminist movements did you see fanning these particular flames?

ryanx435 9y ago

3rd wave, whose actions betray their true goals: men as second class citizens.

dang 9y ago
Please keep ideological talking points off HN. If you have a substantive point to make, make it thoughtfully; otherwise please don't comment until you do.
- rublev 9y ago
  The onus is on you to disprove them, they made no irrational claims. If you have some problem with any of their concepts, say so. Your attack on whether his comment is 'thoughtful' or not is weak.
  - igravious 9y ago
    If you could point out to us here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-wave_feminism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-wave_feminism where it says that all so-called or self-described third wave feminists see men as second class citizens that would be super helpful in this debate.
    - dang 9y ago
      Please don't take HN threads further down generic ideological rabbit holes, or rather black holes. Nothing good comes of them and the thread never returns.
      - igravious 9y ago
        Understood. No problem.
    - rublev 9y ago
      There we go. Thanks.
  - dang 9y ago
    As a moderator here I'm commenting purely procedurally. The comment breaks the HN guidelines and when people do that we ask them not to.

belorn 9y ago

To be fair, movements are generally made up from people self-identify as members and thus movements get judged based on what those people say. This happened in Sweden, and in one article I recall reading the comment that "there is no need for male kindergarten teachers" from local politician from the left block which identify as feminist (current left block call themselves as a feminist government). The left block was also in power during that time which created those restriction for male teachers. One argument used to defend those restriction was that science showed that most criminals of this kind is male, and thus argued that male employees were higher risk. It would be hard to say anything about "The feminist movement as a whole". At the time, no movement was stepping up in support of the male kindergarten teachers.

rainbowmverse 9y ago

Like with all movements, there are a lot of people who join on and don't seem to really understand it. Intersectionality is catching on among feminists, but "men bad, women good" is still a way too common sentiment.