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Ok, what happened to Demore would be like me working at a company of young Earth creationists who had an internal message board for discussing controversial rel

Ok, what happened to Demore would be like me working at a company of young Earth creationists who had an internal message board for discussing controversial religious subjects and then firing me because I brought up natural selection. Is it wrong for me to bring up natural selection or is it wrong for my hypothetical company to entrap me?

Blackthorn 9y ago
That's...a surprisingly good simile. Yes, it would be wrong of you to do that. You remember how in the Big Lebowski, Walter asks The Dude "Well, am I wrong?" and The Dude replies "You're not wrong, Walter. You're an asshole." You don't want to be Walter.
- hueving 9y ago
  So are you literally defending the act of firing people who tell the truth?
  - Blackthorn 9y ago
    I'm defending the act of firing people who are assholes. Whether they're telling the truth or not is irrelevant.
    - hueving 9y ago
      The problem is that 'asshole' is completely subjective. You can have someone state a fact that a tiny hurts a tiny group of peoples' feelings and they will think he/she is an asshole. That can't be a fireable offense. Suggest that a piece of code is un-maintainable and that the group should rebuild it and there is a good chance someone will think that makes you an asshole. You can't go around firing everyone because some idiot gets triggered.
      - Blackthorn 9y ago
        We're talking about a specific case here where twenty thousand people in the company managed to get pissed off, not one person.
Sleeep 9y ago
I wouldn't even think about bringing up natural selection to my young Earth creationist coworkers. Not touching that with a 10 foot pole, it would only end badly. There's a reason they say don't talk about politics or religion with your coworkers. Harmony is good for getting work done and I go to work to work. I'm saying that as some who has actually worked with young Earth creationists before.
- lieut_data 9y ago
  I won't speak for all young Earth creationists, but I don't have a problem with natural selection as a means of selecting from existing genetic diversity within a kind, especially as that process is observable and repeatable around us. Where I contend with evolutionists is the typical narrative that the existence of natural selection implies a process that creates said (structured, positive) genetic diversity from which to select. This latter process is disputed, not the former. I would be curious to hear your colleagues perspective.

Blackthorn 9y ago

That's...a surprisingly good simile. Yes, it would be wrong of you to do that. You remember how in the Big Lebowski, Walter asks The Dude "Well, am I wrong?" and The Dude replies "You're not wrong, Walter. You're an asshole." You don't want to be Walter.

hueving 9y ago
So are you literally defending the act of firing people who tell the truth?
- Blackthorn 9y ago
  I'm defending the act of firing people who are assholes. Whether they're telling the truth or not is irrelevant.
  - hueving 9y ago
    The problem is that 'asshole' is completely subjective. You can have someone state a fact that a tiny hurts a tiny group of peoples' feelings and they will think he/she is an asshole. That can't be a fireable offense. Suggest that a piece of code is un-maintainable and that the group should rebuild it and there is a good chance someone will think that makes you an asshole. You can't go around firing everyone because some idiot gets triggered.
    - Blackthorn 9y ago
      We're talking about a specific case here where twenty thousand people in the company managed to get pissed off, not one person.

Sleeep 9y ago

I wouldn't even think about bringing up natural selection to my young Earth creationist coworkers. Not touching that with a 10 foot pole, it would only end badly. There's a reason they say don't talk about politics or religion with your coworkers. Harmony is good for getting work done and I go to work to work. I'm saying that as some who has actually worked with young Earth creationists before.

lieut_data 9y ago
I won't speak for all young Earth creationists, but I don't have a problem with natural selection as a means of selecting from existing genetic diversity within a kind, especially as that process is observable and repeatable around us. Where I contend with evolutionists is the typical narrative that the existence of natural selection implies a process that creates said (structured, positive) genetic diversity from which to select. This latter process is disputed, not the former. I would be curious to hear your colleagues perspective.