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> "Better-performing men are being overlooked in favor of worse-performing women/minorities." That sentence is backed if there is a correlation between genetic

> "Better-performing men are being overlooked in favor of worse-performing women/minorities." That sentence is backed if there is a correlation between genetics and skills. > this has absolutely no correlation with performance if gender does not have correlation with performance, why do we split sports into male and female? Why physical strength, endurance is related with biology and the mind is not? when the brain is the most important organ in our bodies and in charge of controlling all the hormones which gives us more or less strength. In what facts do you support that claim?

taysic 9y ago
The physical is different from the mental. Are you saying women are less mentally capable? I can't tell but this is basically exactly why women feel legitimizing this line of discussion is unproductive.
- jorgemf 9y ago
  > The physical is different from the mental. Why? Can you probe it? Most researchers I read says the opposite.
  - reitanqild 9y ago
    Not sure what you mean here? Women and men are different: agree. Physical is different than mental: yes Example of a sport that takes really strong mental skills and where women compete alongside men: competitive shooting.
    - jorgemf 9y ago
      > Physical is different than mental: yes If you say that there is no relation between our biological features (like genes or hormones) and our mental capabilities, I have to disagree completely. And I want someone to support that affirmation with facts and research studies. As far as I know there are a lot of mental illness treated with chemicals and hormones and a lot of studies that link malformations in genes with mental capabilities. There are also philosophical studies that link the mind to the body and that claim that there cannot be intelligence without embodiment. So all this things and other papers lead me to think that biological traits are linked to mental skills.
      - taysic 9y ago
        At one point you're talking about malformations and in the next you're talking about perfectly healthy people. Academically, we see that women excel up to college with no barriers in their mental capabilities. What other evidence do you need? I can tell you as a women in tech, there is absolutely nothing about tech that is that difficult to understand or comprehend. Nothing more than the many other professions women excel in and are equally represented.
        jorgemf 9y ago
        you are having bias with the word malformation. It is not something bad per se, it only means it is not what you find in most people and that is have bad consequences (or what we want to classify as bad). > we see that women excel up to college with no barriers in their mental capabilities This doesn't mean anything. Performance is not only about mental capabilities but also in effort. There are mentally disabled people who can pass college, but it is so hard for them and they have to strive a lot to succeed, and this is why you don't see so many of them in college. So this argument doesn't probe anything.
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taysic 9y ago

The physical is different from the mental. Are you saying women are less mentally capable? I can't tell but this is basically exactly why women feel legitimizing this line of discussion is unproductive.

jorgemf 9y ago
> The physical is different from the mental. Why? Can you probe it? Most researchers I read says the opposite.
- reitanqild 9y ago
  Not sure what you mean here? Women and men are different: agree. Physical is different than mental: yes Example of a sport that takes really strong mental skills and where women compete alongside men: competitive shooting.
  - jorgemf 9y ago
    > Physical is different than mental: yes If you say that there is no relation between our biological features (like genes or hormones) and our mental capabilities, I have to disagree completely. And I want someone to support that affirmation with facts and research studies. As far as I know there are a lot of mental illness treated with chemicals and hormones and a lot of studies that link malformations in genes with mental capabilities. There are also philosophical studies that link the mind to the body and that claim that there cannot be intelligence without embodiment. So all this things and other papers lead me to think that biological traits are linked to mental skills.
    - taysic 9y ago
      At one point you're talking about malformations and in the next you're talking about perfectly healthy people. Academically, we see that women excel up to college with no barriers in their mental capabilities. What other evidence do you need? I can tell you as a women in tech, there is absolutely nothing about tech that is that difficult to understand or comprehend. Nothing more than the many other professions women excel in and are equally represented.
      - jorgemf 9y ago
        you are having bias with the word malformation. It is not something bad per se, it only means it is not what you find in most people and that is have bad consequences (or what we want to classify as bad). > we see that women excel up to college with no barriers in their mental capabilities This doesn't mean anything. Performance is not only about mental capabilities but also in effort. There are mentally disabled people who can pass college, but it is so hard for them and they have to strive a lot to succeed, and this is why you don't see so many of them in college. So this argument doesn't probe anything.

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