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He said PC_authoritarians are violent. Not leftists.

dguaraglia 9y ago
Straight from the memo: > While Google hasn’t harbored the violent leftists protests that we’re seeing at universities, the frequent shaming in TGIF and in our culture has created the same silence, psychologically unsafe environment. Emphasis mine.
- Danihan 9y ago
  You seem to have modified the memo slightly to enforce your point. >While Google hasn’t harbored the violent leftist protests that we’re seeing at universities He's saying the leftist protests at Berkeley were violent. Which... is simply a factual statement.
  - dguaraglia 9y ago
    I did clarify the emphasis was mine. Also, I'm not sure I'd qualify it as "simply a factual statement" when there were a bunch of alt-righters participating in the violence. Ever heard of alt-right hero "Based Stickman"? People pay for his tickets to go incite violence across the US. Such a symbol of peace! Seems more like a lie by omission to me.
    - ShannonAlther 9y ago
      You didn't just add emphasis, you changed the original text from "leftist" to "leftists" and failed to indicate this, which is dishonest.
      - dguaraglia 9y ago
        Huh, I was going to complain about it being a direct cut and paste from the document, but it does look like I managed to stick an 's' in there after I copied the text. Sorry, didn't notice. The actual quote is: > While Google hasn’t harbored the violent leftist protests Still doesn't change the meaning, my point being that the "violent leftist protests" he talks about don't happen in a vacuum. On the other side of the 'violence' there's always been lovely people like the alt-righter "hero" Based Stickman inciting violence. To me, his choice of side to blame for the violence is pretty telling of what he thinks about "the Left". Whether correctly or incorrectly identifying them as the culprits of the violence, he's making a statement about the "movement" and not the particular instance of violence.
        ShannonAlther 9y ago
        You're forgiven. <3 On a different note, Damore chose to include mention of "leftist protest" because Google's culture is left-leaning – he's explicitly saying that Google is very left, while not so left as these violent protests. Mentioning "violent rightist protests" wouldn't be germane to his statement about Google here.
    - weberc2 9y ago
      His point isn't to compare the left and the right, so it doesn't make sense to bring up the right. "Google is an ideological bubble that suppressed free speech and we should change that." "Yeah, but conservatives are bad too, and therefore we should continue being a bubble".
      - dguaraglia 9y ago
        > "Yeah, but conservatives are bad too, and therefore we should continue being a bubble" I'm curious, why do you think Damore's position is "right" but that position is not? Aren't the coworkers and higher-ups entitled to an opinion just as much as Damore?
        weberc2 9y ago
        I don't think his position is right, I'm pointing out that it's not dishonest to omit irrelevant details. That said, others don't need to change their opinions in order to become a more diverse, tolerant workplace, they simply need to not go out of their way to shame and intimidate those who are different from them.

Straight from the memo: > While Google hasn’t harbored the violent leftists protests that we’re seeing at universities, the frequent shaming in TGIF and in our culture has created the same silence, psychologically unsafe environment. Emphasis mine.

Danihan 9y ago
You seem to have modified the memo slightly to enforce your point. >While Google hasn’t harbored the violent leftist protests that we’re seeing at universities He's saying the leftist protests at Berkeley were violent. Which... is simply a factual statement.
- dguaraglia 9y ago
  I did clarify the emphasis was mine. Also, I'm not sure I'd qualify it as "simply a factual statement" when there were a bunch of alt-righters participating in the violence. Ever heard of alt-right hero "Based Stickman"? People pay for his tickets to go incite violence across the US. Such a symbol of peace! Seems more like a lie by omission to me.
  - ShannonAlther 9y ago
    You didn't just add emphasis, you changed the original text from "leftist" to "leftists" and failed to indicate this, which is dishonest.
    - dguaraglia 9y ago
      Huh, I was going to complain about it being a direct cut and paste from the document, but it does look like I managed to stick an 's' in there after I copied the text. Sorry, didn't notice. The actual quote is: > While Google hasn’t harbored the violent leftist protests Still doesn't change the meaning, my point being that the "violent leftist protests" he talks about don't happen in a vacuum. On the other side of the 'violence' there's always been lovely people like the alt-righter "hero" Based Stickman inciting violence. To me, his choice of side to blame for the violence is pretty telling of what he thinks about "the Left". Whether correctly or incorrectly identifying them as the culprits of the violence, he's making a statement about the "movement" and not the particular instance of violence.
      - ShannonAlther 9y ago
        You're forgiven. <3 On a different note, Damore chose to include mention of "leftist protest" because Google's culture is left-leaning – he's explicitly saying that Google is very left, while not so left as these violent protests. Mentioning "violent rightist protests" wouldn't be germane to his statement about Google here.
  - weberc2 9y ago
    His point isn't to compare the left and the right, so it doesn't make sense to bring up the right. "Google is an ideological bubble that suppressed free speech and we should change that." "Yeah, but conservatives are bad too, and therefore we should continue being a bubble".
    - dguaraglia 9y ago
      > "Yeah, but conservatives are bad too, and therefore we should continue being a bubble" I'm curious, why do you think Damore's position is "right" but that position is not? Aren't the coworkers and higher-ups entitled to an opinion just as much as Damore?
      - weberc2 9y ago
        I don't think his position is right, I'm pointing out that it's not dishonest to omit irrelevant details. That said, others don't need to change their opinions in order to become a more diverse, tolerant workplace, they simply need to not go out of their way to shame and intimidate those who are different from them.