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Again, like many others you are confusing "less people from this group are qualified" with "people from this group are less qualified". The first doesn't say a
by Udik 9y ago
Again, like many others you are confusing "less people from this group are qualified" with "people from this group are less qualified". The first doesn't say anything about single individuals, and doesn't suggest any discriminatory practice against the group. The second does.
- jandrese 9y agoIn practice both statements have the same outcome. Hiring managers aren't omniscient.
- Delmania 9y agoYes, there's no way to say either of those statements to a member of a given group and not offend that person.
- Udik 9y agoI can understand this. But things can be offensive and still be true. It's a possibility. I'm not particularly fond of pointing out, or even researching, possible differences between groups of people; however, the insistence on the opposite, when it's not perceived as backed up by substantial proofs, ends up provoking a response from those who value truth at least as much as harmony.
- rhcom2 9y agoThe article rebuts this point by name.
- dguaraglia 9y agoOne of the women in the article addresses that very aptly: > Assuming that it’s true that women on average are more likely to have trait X, why should any woman have to overcome the additional barrier of proving that she’s not like other women, or that if she IS like other women, that the trait has no bearing on her job performance? Creating a stereotype generates distrust in the individuals that are part of the group described by the stereotype. You yourself had to delve on the wording of the phrase to explain why you think it's different. Do you think the average person would put as much thought on the wording?
- Udik 9y agoWomen, or better, individuals, don't have to overcome any "additional barrier". They have to prove they have the qualifications for the job they want, as everybody else. Each person is a different individual and has to be judged as such, as simple as that.
- dguaraglia 9y agoAmen! And yet, stereotypes do play a role in generating prejudice. In a utopic unprejudiced society, where all people are treated exactly the same by everyone and where there's no pre-conceived notion of "gendered careers", then each person would stand for themselves and their choice of career wouldn't be affected by externalities. As is, this is 2017 and we have white supremacists chanting about Jews and ramming cars into people. Clearly, we are not even close to that Utopia.
- Udik 9y agoThat in companies like Google people are not treated the same, and in what measure, is something that is open for debate, not an assumption. But besides that, if the solution is to dedicate any special effort in hiring from this or that group, then employees from that group will feel they have to prove they really are at the same level as the others. Which is the opposite of what you wanted, and exactly what the female engineers in this interview complain about.
- Uhhrrr 9y ago99% of humanity wouldn't get hired at Google, male or female. As long as the hiring bar is kept high enough, there's no reason for Google employees to especially distrust women over men.
- mempko 9y agoAnd yet, this is my opinion, the software quality could be a lot better at google. For example google docs was broken in Firefox for over a day for me. Google Maps crashes on certain routes preventing me getting a route. Whatever they are doing isn't enough. Also the UX at google is a mess.