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John Gruber perceptively pointed out that Page/Brin/Schmidt have been taking the backseat for this ordeal, putting Pichai solely responsible. I assume this is

John Gruber perceptively pointed out that Page/Brin/Schmidt have been taking the backseat for this ordeal, putting Pichai solely responsible. I assume this is intentional to ensure Pichai's opinion on the matter is clearly that of Google. However, aside from Damore himself, the only Googlers I've seen make comments are: * Sundar Pichai * Danielle Brown, VP of Diversity, Integrity & Governance * Susan Wojcicki, YouTube CEO To be very honest, it would be helpful if white male Googlers spoke out for diversity. I know this is a sensitive and heated topic right now, but especially after seeing the (unrelated, but very fresh, and the video is really worth 1000 words): https://news.vice.com/story/vice-news-tonight-full-episode-charlottesville-race-and-terror https://news.vice.com/story/vice-news-tonight-full-episode-c... it would be really nice to see actual individuals standing up for the beliefs their company purports to have.

humanrebar 9y ago
> To be very honest, it would be helpful if white male Googlers spoke out for diversity. Do you mean spoke out against Damore? Damore lauded diversity himself. Being "for diversity" doesn't carry much water, it seems. EDIT: Just watched (enough of) the video. Are you equating Damore with skinheads?
- chickenbane 9y ago
  > Are you equating Damore with skinheads? Of course not. But honestly, until Charlottesville I didn't think Nazis were a serious influence in the US. I no longer think that. I also assumed the President of the United States would have no issue immediately condemning Nazis, but here we are. David Brooks asked for Pichai to resign (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14990494 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14990494). Brooks has written many op-eds, so I searched for other times he's asked for CEOs to resign. Weird, nothing came back aside from Sundar Pichai. Not Travis Kalanick, even when Uber had much worse news? Not Marissa Mayer, when Yahoo had huge data breaches? Sorry if asking white guys to support their CEO is too much. After seeing the skinheads it'd be nice to reminded the good guys haven't lost their voice and are a serious influence as well.
  - humanrebar 9y ago
    I wouldn't extrapolate the boorishness of Trump into a serious Nazi presence in the U.S.
    - chickenbane 9y ago
      I didn't extrapolate. I got that idea from watching the video. After Charlottesville, are you unconcerned about Nazis in the US? Also I notice you haven't commented on my point - is it just a coincidence that only women Googlers have supported Pichai? From my pov it's a bad look if no white male execs at Google support Pichai's decision to fire Damore.
      - humanrebar 9y ago
        > After Charlottesville, are you unconcerned about Nazis in the US? Compared to what? I wouldn't put Nazis in my top ten list. I'm honestly not sure what I should be advocating for, to be honest. Nazis are horrible people. Racism is evil. Is there any substantial controversy over that? As far as the male Google executive part, I don't support Pichai's decision, so I'm probably not qualified to answer the question to your satisfaction. I don't envy his job right now, to be sure.

humanrebar 9y ago

> To be very honest, it would be helpful if white male Googlers spoke out for diversity. Do you mean spoke out against Damore? Damore lauded diversity himself. Being "for diversity" doesn't carry much water, it seems. EDIT: Just watched (enough of) the video. Are you equating Damore with skinheads?

chickenbane 9y ago
> Are you equating Damore with skinheads? Of course not. But honestly, until Charlottesville I didn't think Nazis were a serious influence in the US. I no longer think that. I also assumed the President of the United States would have no issue immediately condemning Nazis, but here we are. David Brooks asked for Pichai to resign (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14990494 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14990494). Brooks has written many op-eds, so I searched for other times he's asked for CEOs to resign. Weird, nothing came back aside from Sundar Pichai. Not Travis Kalanick, even when Uber had much worse news? Not Marissa Mayer, when Yahoo had huge data breaches? Sorry if asking white guys to support their CEO is too much. After seeing the skinheads it'd be nice to reminded the good guys haven't lost their voice and are a serious influence as well.
- humanrebar 9y ago
  I wouldn't extrapolate the boorishness of Trump into a serious Nazi presence in the U.S.
  - chickenbane 9y ago
    I didn't extrapolate. I got that idea from watching the video. After Charlottesville, are you unconcerned about Nazis in the US? Also I notice you haven't commented on my point - is it just a coincidence that only women Googlers have supported Pichai? From my pov it's a bad look if no white male execs at Google support Pichai's decision to fire Damore.
    - humanrebar 9y ago
      > After Charlottesville, are you unconcerned about Nazis in the US? Compared to what? I wouldn't put Nazis in my top ten list. I'm honestly not sure what I should be advocating for, to be honest. Nazis are horrible people. Racism is evil. Is there any substantial controversy over that? As far as the male Google executive part, I don't support Pichai's decision, so I'm probably not qualified to answer the question to your satisfaction. I don't envy his job right now, to be sure.