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Good, back to the fringe where they belong. At least for now.

HarryHirsch 9y ago
I'd prefer them to interact with the rest of society, you'd hope that the need to engage with normal people would provide some moderation. Either let them be or put them out of operation with the force of the law, but covering a problem issue with a blanket and pretending the problem is gone never worked.
- scottLobster 9y ago
  I sincerely doubt much of "the rest of society" has accounts on the daily stormer, it's the online equivalent of going to a Klan meeting. Sure you can do it, but most normal people have better things to do with their time. Edit: No one's covering up the problem, people are just refusing to listen to or help them. This is the other side of free speech at work.
  - wu-ikkyu 9y ago
    >No one's covering up the problem, people are just refusing to listen Refusing to listen would mean not visiting their website. Covering them up would mean driving them to the dark web.
    - scottLobster 9y ago
      Refusing to help means not giving them a platform. They've been reduced to the 21st century equivalent of an underground newspaper produced out of someone's basement. I fail to see the problem. If I act like a complete jackass and no one wants to sell me a house, society wouldn't be "covering me up". They'd just be refusing to associate with me, as is the right of every individual.
      - wu-ikkyu 9y ago
        >If I act like a complete jackass and no one wants to sell me a house, society wouldn't be "covering me up". They'd just be refusing to associate with me, as is the right of every individual. That sort of thinking is what validated racial segregation of neighborhoods in the US. >I fail to see the problem. Failing to see the problem is the problem. >We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured. -Dr. King, Letter From a Birmingham Jail
        scottLobster 9y ago
        Watch your context on that quote. Exposing racial injustice and providing a platform for the promotion of racial injustice (among other things perpetrated by the Daily Stormer) are two very different things. In any case, what are you suggesting? That owning a web domain is a right? That people should be forced by law to listen to and debate all available opinions regardless of how inane or evil? Please be specific, because right now your only argument is that people shouldn't be free to choose who they associate with on the grounds that the right was once abused regarding racial segregation. Then you make an out-of-context appeal to authority that doesn't really support anything beyond exposing injustice. Refusing the daily stormer a web registration isn't covering up injustice, it's refusing to support it.
        wu-ikkyu 9y ago
        >Watch your context on that quote. Exposing racial injustice and providing a platform for the promotion of racial injustice (among other things perpetrated by the Daily Stormer) are two very different things. How can it be exposed if all the public platforms are withheld? The context is clear if you've studied Dr. King's tactics. The media (TV/newspapers, and now the internet) ignored racial injustice, and so Dr. King made a point of creating public agitation that forced the media to give it attention so that everyone could be made aware of its existence and decide how to deal with it. >Please be specific If your goal is to defeat your enemies, forcing them out of public view and into the shadows obscures your reconnaissance capabilities and decreases your strategic advantage. >>Failing to see the problem is the problem.

I'd prefer them to interact with the rest of society, you'd hope that the need to engage with normal people would provide some moderation. Either let them be or put them out of operation with the force of the law, but covering a problem issue with a blanket and pretending the problem is gone never worked.

scottLobster 9y ago
I sincerely doubt much of "the rest of society" has accounts on the daily stormer, it's the online equivalent of going to a Klan meeting. Sure you can do it, but most normal people have better things to do with their time. Edit: No one's covering up the problem, people are just refusing to listen to or help them. This is the other side of free speech at work.
- wu-ikkyu 9y ago
  >No one's covering up the problem, people are just refusing to listen Refusing to listen would mean not visiting their website. Covering them up would mean driving them to the dark web.
  - scottLobster 9y ago
    Refusing to help means not giving them a platform. They've been reduced to the 21st century equivalent of an underground newspaper produced out of someone's basement. I fail to see the problem. If I act like a complete jackass and no one wants to sell me a house, society wouldn't be "covering me up". They'd just be refusing to associate with me, as is the right of every individual.
    - wu-ikkyu 9y ago
      >If I act like a complete jackass and no one wants to sell me a house, society wouldn't be "covering me up". They'd just be refusing to associate with me, as is the right of every individual. That sort of thinking is what validated racial segregation of neighborhoods in the US. >I fail to see the problem. Failing to see the problem is the problem. >We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured. -Dr. King, Letter From a Birmingham Jail
      - scottLobster 9y ago
        Watch your context on that quote. Exposing racial injustice and providing a platform for the promotion of racial injustice (among other things perpetrated by the Daily Stormer) are two very different things. In any case, what are you suggesting? That owning a web domain is a right? That people should be forced by law to listen to and debate all available opinions regardless of how inane or evil? Please be specific, because right now your only argument is that people shouldn't be free to choose who they associate with on the grounds that the right was once abused regarding racial segregation. Then you make an out-of-context appeal to authority that doesn't really support anything beyond exposing injustice. Refusing the daily stormer a web registration isn't covering up injustice, it's refusing to support it.
        wu-ikkyu 9y ago
        >Watch your context on that quote. Exposing racial injustice and providing a platform for the promotion of racial injustice (among other things perpetrated by the Daily Stormer) are two very different things. How can it be exposed if all the public platforms are withheld? The context is clear if you've studied Dr. King's tactics. The media (TV/newspapers, and now the internet) ignored racial injustice, and so Dr. King made a point of creating public agitation that forced the media to give it attention so that everyone could be made aware of its existence and decide how to deal with it. >Please be specific If your goal is to defeat your enemies, forcing them out of public view and into the shadows obscures your reconnaissance capabilities and decreases your strategic advantage. >>Failing to see the problem is the problem.