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> And I think you're ignoring a lot of things the left has been up to. The IRS scandal was a big deal, for example. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targ

by croon 9y ago

> And I think you're ignoring a lot of things the left has been up to. The IRS scandal was a big deal, for example. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy > The Republican majority on the House Oversight Committee issued a report, which concluded that although some liberal groups were selected for additional review, the scrutiny that these groups received did not amount to targeting when compared to the greater scrutiny received by conservative groups. The report was criticized by the committee's Democratic minority, which said that the report ignored evidence that the IRS used keywords to identify both liberal and conservative groups. > In January 2014, the FBI told Fox News that its investigation had found no evidence so far warranting the filing of federal criminal charges in connection with the controversy, as it had not found any evidence of "enemy hunting", and that the investigation continued. On October 23, 2015, the Justice Department declared that no criminal charges would be filed. Meanwhile: http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/346544-dreamhost-claims-doj-requesting-info-on-visitors-to-anti-trump-website http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/346544-dreamhost-cla... Classic misguided whataboutism. Fox News did it again.

humanrebar 9y ago
There are plenty other examples. I just picked one. The Damore and Eich cases. The professor at the University of Missouri. The assault of Charles Murray.
- croon 9y ago
  The Damore who denied interviews with internationally renowned news organisations to go on Youtube with alt-right crazy Stefan Molyneux? The Damore who sourced real science in an effort to try to legitimize his own non-sequitor opinions in a memo? The Damore who made a t-shirt comparing a company with snack bars, lego corners, project choice and hundreds of thousands of dollar salaries with communist forced labor camps? I don't disagree with you on Eich. I think supporting prop 8 is abhorrent, but likewise was the online shaming campaign. I'd support anyone boycotting Mozilla if they chose too, and those who resigned when he was promoted to CEO, but he also wasn't fired, he resigned.
  - humanrebar 9y ago
    Damore was fired by left-wing people for his beliefs. I don't think that's controversial. I think if there's not room to discuss issues with someone like Damore (and, sure, show him to be a fool if warranted) or to work in a professional capacity with Eich (likewise), the left has an extremism problem.
    - croon 9y ago
      You mean the issues Damore made up, as opposed to arguing in good faith from the sources he provided, and not taking artistic liberty in his conclusions? The researcher Damore cites: > It is unclear to me that this sex difference would play a role in success within the Google workplace (in particular, not being able to handle stresses of leadership in the workplace. That’s a huge stretch to me),” writes Schmitt. And Eichs belief that gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, meaning they should have less rights than straight people? It is neither a left problem, extremism problem, or even a problem. If you discriminate, you should get fired. The fact that this can even be claimed as a political/partisan issue is frightening. And if it somehow is partisan, the left isn't the issue.
- zimpenfish 9y ago
  > The assault of Charles Murray. Is there any concrete proof that it was "liberals" or "the left" who attacked Sanger and pushed the car? It's entirely possible it was but ... (I'd hesitate to call it "assault of Charles Murray" from the news reports, mind.) https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/03/06/middlebury-engages-soul-searching-after-speech-shouted-down-and-professor-attacked https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/03/06/middlebury-en... (Also Charles Murray is a reprehensible racist who should be denied any public platform for espousing his pseudoscientific bigoted bullshit.)
  - humanrebar 9y ago
    Sanger was physically attacked. Murray was assaulted IMO (an assault is a threat of violence, not necessarily physical violence). But I could have phrased that better, yes. We're already deep in the thread so I'll pass on defending Charles Murray. The germane part is that he's on the right and was assaulted by extremists.

by croon 9y ago

humanrebar 9y ago

There are plenty other examples. I just picked one. The Damore and Eich cases. The professor at the University of Missouri. The assault of Charles Murray.

croon 9y ago
The Damore who denied interviews with internationally renowned news organisations to go on Youtube with alt-right crazy Stefan Molyneux? The Damore who sourced real science in an effort to try to legitimize his own non-sequitor opinions in a memo? The Damore who made a t-shirt comparing a company with snack bars, lego corners, project choice and hundreds of thousands of dollar salaries with communist forced labor camps? I don't disagree with you on Eich. I think supporting prop 8 is abhorrent, but likewise was the online shaming campaign. I'd support anyone boycotting Mozilla if they chose too, and those who resigned when he was promoted to CEO, but he also wasn't fired, he resigned.
- humanrebar 9y ago
  Damore was fired by left-wing people for his beliefs. I don't think that's controversial. I think if there's not room to discuss issues with someone like Damore (and, sure, show him to be a fool if warranted) or to work in a professional capacity with Eich (likewise), the left has an extremism problem.
  - croon 9y ago
    You mean the issues Damore made up, as opposed to arguing in good faith from the sources he provided, and not taking artistic liberty in his conclusions? The researcher Damore cites: > It is unclear to me that this sex difference would play a role in success within the Google workplace (in particular, not being able to handle stresses of leadership in the workplace. That’s a huge stretch to me),” writes Schmitt. And Eichs belief that gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, meaning they should have less rights than straight people? It is neither a left problem, extremism problem, or even a problem. If you discriminate, you should get fired. The fact that this can even be claimed as a political/partisan issue is frightening. And if it somehow is partisan, the left isn't the issue.
zimpenfish 9y ago
> The assault of Charles Murray. Is there any concrete proof that it was "liberals" or "the left" who attacked Sanger and pushed the car? It's entirely possible it was but ... (I'd hesitate to call it "assault of Charles Murray" from the news reports, mind.) https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/03/06/middlebury-engages-soul-searching-after-speech-shouted-down-and-professor-attacked https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/03/06/middlebury-en... (Also Charles Murray is a reprehensible racist who should be denied any public platform for espousing his pseudoscientific bigoted bullshit.)
- humanrebar 9y ago
  Sanger was physically attacked. Murray was assaulted IMO (an assault is a threat of violence, not necessarily physical violence). But I could have phrased that better, yes. We're already deep in the thread so I'll pass on defending Charles Murray. The germane part is that he's on the right and was assaulted by extremists.