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Is this my interface or yours? (2016)

56 points by stared 9y ago

stared 9y ago
Another thread in this "cognitive UX / extended phenotype" topic: * https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/4348/your-vs-my-in-user-interfaces https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/4348/your-vs-my-in-us...
gpvos 9y ago
Makes me think of the classic "Take me, I'm yours" text that reportedly was used as the login text on terminals at Stanford: http://www.oocities.org/hsingmin/humor/takemeimyours.htm http://www.oocities.org/hsingmin/humor/takemeimyours.htm .
tscherno 9y ago
In German windows versions "My Computer" was translated with "Arbeitsplatz" which means place of work
- yorwba 9y ago
  As opposed to "Desktop" which was left untranslated. Ubuntu translates it as "Schreibtisch", which my mother found pretty confusing, maybe because she doesn't speak English.
  - denisw 9y ago
    Ubuntu has probably emulated macOS here, which translates the Desktop as "Schreibtisch" as well.
- dfox 9y ago
  Similarly, in czech localization it was "Tento pocitac" ("This computer") since Windows 95. Windows 7 uses just "Pocitac" and I honestly have no idea what is the translation used in 10.
DavidWoof 9y ago
This is basically one individual's musing on the topic of naming things in a UI. I don't know the author at all, so he might have tons of insight or he might just be making stuff up, I have no idea. But at this point in time, why aren't we reading about studies rather than an individual's musings? I'd much rather read that x% of individuals didn't immediately make the connection between "my computer" and their workstation in testing at MS. One reason Code Complete has always been my favorite programming book is that he backed up his suggestions with real numbers from serious studies. I'd love to see similar types of writings in the design field.
- chickenfries 9y ago
  So, this type of research exists, it's just not written about in Medium posts like this :P But I agree, I much prefer writing based on research rather than some designer's reckons that aren't clearly labeled as reckons.
  - jacobolus 9y ago
    This is a kind of confusing use of the word “reckon”, which is typically a verb and means to calculate or come to a conclusion after making a calculation. (Etymology is from the word in old germanic languages for “count”.) You’re using it as a noun to mean something more like “guess” or “personal opinion”. I guess stemming from informal uses like “I reckon I could ...” (used without any calculation in sight, often with an exaggerated or bragging rest of the sentence).
    - chickenfries 9y ago
      Yes, that's exactly what I meant, thanks for clarifying. I'm not sure where I picked up using reckon as a noun, I think it might have been from an Australian. In my mind, a reckon is a quick opinion given without much rigor behind it, coming from "the gut" or experience.
      - lgas 9y ago
        I reckon most people could tell what you meant from context.
ejdyksen 9y ago
Windows 10 now uses the first person plural ("we") to talk to users, which I always thought was an interesting choice. Things like: We're setting things up for you We can't sign into your account Etc...
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  Consistent with the software’s role as an agent and voice of the firm creating it.
- fencepost 9y ago
  This might be out of date, but I think the installer still uses "I" - "I'm happy to see you" and such. If you imagine it in a creepy voice it completely changes the tone of an install. Edit: thanks autocorrect
  - kaybe 9y ago
    It comes across creepy to me and people around me all by itself. Maybe we played to much Portal.
fenwick67 9y ago
I think it's amusing that it's no longer "My Computer" and now it's just "This Computer". The computer is no longer mine I guess, which aligns with Microsoft's push for subscription models.
huhtenberg 9y ago
With all the shenanigans Microsoft is trying to pull with Windows 10 they obviously couldn't keep calling it "My Computer", because that's be... well... a blatant lie.
- doodpants 9y ago
  I never liked the "My" moniker, because I feel like the label is speaking to me from the computer's or the vendor's point of view, rather than my own. So for me, it would feel even more appropriate for Windows 10 to continue using it, to remind users who really controls their devices.
- carapace 9y ago
  "Windows is a service..." is how the update message dialogs start now. (Please don't ask me why I know, it's embarrassing. ;-P)
fizixer 9y ago
Off-topic (or maybe not), the title reminds me of a coding API/interface design issue I often encounter, and I'm never able to resolve without finding whatever I end up with as ad hoc at best. To give a contrived example (note: the example is about a pre-condition-like check, but that's not always the "intermediate action"). Let's say I design a sort function. It takes a linear collection (like an array or list) and returns the same (sorted). Let's say I need to carry out an intermediate action (intermediate as in, between the calling code before sorting and the sorting algorithms itself) that I need to check if the collection is already sorted, and return the collection as it is without invoking the sorting code. The design issue I have is: should the check be inside the sort function or in the calling block just before the sort call? It might feel like the validation squarely belongs inside the sort function but, besides this example being a bit contrived, there is a solid counter argument to be made that 'the job of the sort function is to sort'. If I am a sort function, I sort. You give me a collection, I return a sorted collection. Don't encumber me with extra checks of validating if the collection is worth sorting, or some other stuff. This is a general problem not specific to coding. In an interface between a manager or a team-lead and the engineer, there are often situations when the engineer says "It's my job to do this, you give me the task in this, such-and-such prepackaged, form and I will return you the results." Later, the lead wants the engineer to improvise a bit and do this extra thing, an intermediate action, before actually doing the task. This "intermediate action" fits squarely in neither the lead's or the engineer's roles. Ignoring the tilted-balance-of-power in which usually the engineer ends up doing what's slightly vague, which I consider an ad-hoc solution, the engineer could just as well say "Why don't you do it?". I guess there's a 3rd possibility in which a 3rd party does it. So in the case of sort, we have a pure-sort function, which is called by "an outer-sort" function which has all the checks, and if they all pass, only then the pure-sort is called. And that outer-sort is called in the calling code instead of calling pure-sort directly. Which one of these is the best? most optimal? correct? What should even be a criteria for judging the implementation of such a scenario? I don't know. edit: another example, you have an in-place sort impl. and a non-in-place sort impl. In the calling code you wish to switch between the two making sure it's always non-in-place. Should you wrap the in-place sort in a make-a-copy-before-sorting wrapper? or should the in-place impl do it itself just before returning? or should the calling code handle the two types of sort with some if check?

56 points by stared 9y ago

Another thread in this "cognitive UX / extended phenotype" topic: * https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/4348/your-vs-my-in-user-interfaces https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/4348/your-vs-my-in-us...

gpvos 9y ago

Makes me think of the classic "Take me, I'm yours" text that reportedly was used as the login text on terminals at Stanford: http://www.oocities.org/hsingmin/humor/takemeimyours.htm http://www.oocities.org/hsingmin/humor/takemeimyours.htm .

tscherno 9y ago

In German windows versions "My Computer" was translated with "Arbeitsplatz" which means place of work

yorwba 9y ago
As opposed to "Desktop" which was left untranslated. Ubuntu translates it as "Schreibtisch", which my mother found pretty confusing, maybe because she doesn't speak English.
- denisw 9y ago
  Ubuntu has probably emulated macOS here, which translates the Desktop as "Schreibtisch" as well.
dfox 9y ago
Similarly, in czech localization it was "Tento pocitac" ("This computer") since Windows 95. Windows 7 uses just "Pocitac" and I honestly have no idea what is the translation used in 10.

DavidWoof 9y ago

This is basically one individual's musing on the topic of naming things in a UI. I don't know the author at all, so he might have tons of insight or he might just be making stuff up, I have no idea. But at this point in time, why aren't we reading about studies rather than an individual's musings? I'd much rather read that x% of individuals didn't immediately make the connection between "my computer" and their workstation in testing at MS. One reason Code Complete has always been my favorite programming book is that he backed up his suggestions with real numbers from serious studies. I'd love to see similar types of writings in the design field.

chickenfries 9y ago
So, this type of research exists, it's just not written about in Medium posts like this :P But I agree, I much prefer writing based on research rather than some designer's reckons that aren't clearly labeled as reckons.
- jacobolus 9y ago
  This is a kind of confusing use of the word “reckon”, which is typically a verb and means to calculate or come to a conclusion after making a calculation. (Etymology is from the word in old germanic languages for “count”.) You’re using it as a noun to mean something more like “guess” or “personal opinion”. I guess stemming from informal uses like “I reckon I could ...” (used without any calculation in sight, often with an exaggerated or bragging rest of the sentence).
  - chickenfries 9y ago
    Yes, that's exactly what I meant, thanks for clarifying. I'm not sure where I picked up using reckon as a noun, I think it might have been from an Australian. In my mind, a reckon is a quick opinion given without much rigor behind it, coming from "the gut" or experience.
    - lgas 9y ago
      I reckon most people could tell what you meant from context.

ejdyksen 9y ago

Windows 10 now uses the first person plural ("we") to talk to users, which I always thought was an interesting choice. Things like: We're setting things up for you We can't sign into your account Etc...

dragonwriter 9y ago
Consistent with the software’s role as an agent and voice of the firm creating it.
fencepost 9y ago
This might be out of date, but I think the installer still uses "I" - "I'm happy to see you" and such. If you imagine it in a creepy voice it completely changes the tone of an install. Edit: thanks autocorrect
- kaybe 9y ago
  It comes across creepy to me and people around me all by itself. Maybe we played to much Portal.

fenwick67 9y ago

I think it's amusing that it's no longer "My Computer" and now it's just "This Computer". The computer is no longer mine I guess, which aligns with Microsoft's push for subscription models.

huhtenberg 9y ago

With all the shenanigans Microsoft is trying to pull with Windows 10 they obviously couldn't keep calling it "My Computer", because that's be... well... a blatant lie.

doodpants 9y ago
I never liked the "My" moniker, because I feel like the label is speaking to me from the computer's or the vendor's point of view, rather than my own. So for me, it would feel even more appropriate for Windows 10 to continue using it, to remind users who really controls their devices.
carapace 9y ago
"Windows is a service..." is how the update message dialogs start now. (Please don't ask me why I know, it's embarrassing. ;-P)

fizixer 9y ago

Off-topic (or maybe not), the title reminds me of a coding API/interface design issue I often encounter, and I'm never able to resolve without finding whatever I end up with as ad hoc at best. To give a contrived example (note: the example is about a pre-condition-like check, but that's not always the "intermediate action"). Let's say I design a sort function. It takes a linear collection (like an array or list) and returns the same (sorted). Let's say I need to carry out an intermediate action (intermediate as in, between the calling code before sorting and the sorting algorithms itself) that I need to check if the collection is already sorted, and return the collection as it is without invoking the sorting code. The design issue I have is: should the check be inside the sort function or in the calling block just before the sort call? It might feel like the validation squarely belongs inside the sort function but, besides this example being a bit contrived, there is a solid counter argument to be made that 'the job of the sort function is to sort'. If I am a sort function, I sort. You give me a collection, I return a sorted collection. Don't encumber me with extra checks of validating if the collection is worth sorting, or some other stuff. This is a general problem not specific to coding. In an interface between a manager or a team-lead and the engineer, there are often situations when the engineer says "It's my job to do this, you give me the task in this, such-and-such prepackaged, form and I will return you the results." Later, the lead wants the engineer to improvise a bit and do this extra thing, an intermediate action, before actually doing the task. This "intermediate action" fits squarely in neither the lead's or the engineer's roles. Ignoring the tilted-balance-of-power in which usually the engineer ends up doing what's slightly vague, which I consider an ad-hoc solution, the engineer could just as well say "Why don't you do it?". I guess there's a 3rd possibility in which a 3rd party does it. So in the case of sort, we have a pure-sort function, which is called by "an outer-sort" function which has all the checks, and if they all pass, only then the pure-sort is called. And that outer-sort is called in the calling code instead of calling pure-sort directly. Which one of these is the best? most optimal? correct? What should even be a criteria for judging the implementation of such a scenario? I don't know. edit: another example, you have an in-place sort impl. and a non-in-place sort impl. In the calling code you wish to switch between the two making sure it's always non-in-place. Should you wrap the in-place sort in a make-a-copy-before-sorting wrapper? or should the in-place impl do it itself just before returning? or should the calling code handle the two types of sort with some if check?