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You are falling into a classic fallacy of dismissing the information due to it's source. The fact is the war happened and these SEALs learned what they learned,

You are falling into a classic fallacy of dismissing the information due to it's source. The fact is the war happened and these SEALs learned what they learned, working as one of the most effective units in the war. What you wrote could be true, while everything Jocko has to teach you can be true and useful too. I was extremely skeptical, but I read his book and there is value in what he teaches. It isn't all trite militaristic BS. Some of it is, of course, he has his world view, but that is easy enough to separate from what made them so good in a chaotic environment. I encourage anyone reading this to put aside their well earned bias against most military figures and dig a little deeper if the topic of leadership and personal responsibility are of interest.

thinkfurther 9y ago
No, I'm dismissing it based on content. And the war didn't "happen", it was all actions of people. One element of it was Colin Powell sweating as he made his bullshit WMD presentation in front of the UN. Anyone with half a brain and half a gut would have seen all that crap for what it is. It's great he's such a great guy within the larger context of being a shitty guy, but that's like being a very good doctor on the Titanic -- you'd save more lives by telling people to not go on that ship. > It isn't all trite militaristic BS. Wait, so I'm supposed to judge the article based on a book? Gift it to me and I'll read it. Otherwise, nah.
- damnfine 9y ago
  If we wrote off every great thinker who also thought or did 'bad stuff', we would be quite poor technologically and philisophically. Think further man.
  - thinkfurther 9y ago
    Nothing that makes sense in what he says I haven't heard put better by better people, who don't apply it in such a limited way. Oh, and then there's people dismissing something just because Einstein said it, too. That's dismissing something because of someone being too good.

thinkfurther 9y ago

No, I'm dismissing it based on content. And the war didn't "happen", it was all actions of people. One element of it was Colin Powell sweating as he made his bullshit WMD presentation in front of the UN. Anyone with half a brain and half a gut would have seen all that crap for what it is. It's great he's such a great guy within the larger context of being a shitty guy, but that's like being a very good doctor on the Titanic -- you'd save more lives by telling people to not go on that ship. > It isn't all trite militaristic BS. Wait, so I'm supposed to judge the article based on a book? Gift it to me and I'll read it. Otherwise, nah.

damnfine 9y ago
If we wrote off every great thinker who also thought or did 'bad stuff', we would be quite poor technologically and philisophically. Think further man.
- thinkfurther 9y ago
  Nothing that makes sense in what he says I haven't heard put better by better people, who don't apply it in such a limited way. Oh, and then there's people dismissing something just because Einstein said it, too. That's dismissing something because of someone being too good.