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>BLM look ridiculous too Protesting that cops kill black people and face no legal consequences is ridiculous?

humanrebar 9y ago
I think it's the riots and assassinations. Maybe blocking traffic depending on who you ask. Of course, Black Lives Matter isn't a well defined group, so you can't blame all of them for the actions of a few. But that's true of people who want <insert right leaning policy proposal here>.
- viridian 9y ago
  Don't forget disrupting pride parades. BLM really has had it out for the LGBT community in the midwest this year, for whatever reason.
fastball 9y ago
Yes. The idea that there are cops on safari hunting black people is a fundamentally absurd notion. When it is clear that the officer was involved in a "bad shoot", those officers are removed from duty and charged with murder/manslaughter. If you can point me to one that was not, I'd be very interested to learn more. However, it is often difficult to determine a bad shoot from a "good" one, which is the primary issue. Cops disproportionately target black Americans because black Americans commit a disproportionate percentage of the crime in America. And you don't need to stop at the overall crime rate, you can look at how black Americans kill a disproportionate number of cops. There were 511 officers killed in felonious incidents and 540 offenders from 2004 to 2013, according to FBI reports. Among the total offenders, 52 percent were white, and 43 percent were black.[1] And according to the 2010 US Census [2], the racial split in the US was: White: 72.4% Black: 12.6% I think the numbers speak for themselves. Do these numbers justify cops killing unarmed civilians that pose no threat? OF COURSE NOT. But that is almost never the case. Remember, cops are not the military (they are not tried in internal military tribunals), and they do not have immunity. At the end of the day, it is up to the DA to bring charges against a police officer, and the DA will usually not bring said charges if that DA does not think he/she can prove in a court of law that it was a bad shoot. So yes, there are racist cops. But that should only be a crisis if you believe the US' entire justice system to be racist against black people. [1] - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/09/are-black-or-white-offenders-more-likely-to-kill-police/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/... [2] - https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf
- pjc50 9y ago
  > charged with murder/manslaughter .. and then acquitted. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/white-tulsa-officer-is-acquitted-in-fatal-shooting-of-black-driver.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/white-tulsa-officer-is... > the US' entire justice system to be racist against black people I believe that's a key part of the BLM argument, yes.
  - fastball 9y ago
    The Tulsa County District Court jury of eight women and four men, including at least four black jurors Jury decisions need to be unanimous, so at least four black people thought this woman was not guilty of manslaughter. A truly outrageous verdict from a truly racist justice system. I'd also like to point out that, although unarmed, the victim was high on PCP at the time of the shooting, and PCP is nothing to joke about. It causes erratic and often dangerous behaviour. Case in point: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/man-high-pcp-shows-superhuman-9049594 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/man-high-pcp-shows-s...
YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 9y ago
Do black cops that kill black people not think that black lives matter? And the reasonable response to that is to loot and destroy a black neighbourhood by its very inhabitants (among others)? It really seems quite ridiculous from here at least. (And no, the fact that black people are over-represented in cop shoot-outs does not prove that cops have something against black people.)
mantas 9y ago
Their kind of protesting is not my cup of tea. Protests can be done in civilised manner. Theirs, at least the ones that make the news, are not. Looking from afar, they're only hurting their cause. I mean.. if they thrash shit and take over rallies, maybe cops had a reason to shoot? Note - I know there was no reason in at least some cases. The library video with BLM harassing students was extremely embarrassing. Shit like that would get people arrested over there and nobody would look at them seriously ever after. That may or may not be influenced by my northern-ish shy attitude.
- grasshopperpurp 9y ago
  https://pics.onsizzle.com/why-cant-they-protest-peacefully-or-like-that-but-not-7114307.png https://pics.onsizzle.com/why-cant-they-protest-peacefully-o...
  - mantas 9y ago
    Exactly. Why? We managed to get out of fuckin USSR without violent protests. Civil protests and engaging in politics is awesome. But not as easy and fun as smashing shit. Act like idiots = be treated like idiots.
    - grasshopperpurp 9y ago
      The point of that is to show that white people in America are not happy with any form of protest from black people.
      - mantas 9y ago
        I know
- hsod 9y ago
  > if they thrash shit and take over rallies, maybe cops had a reason to shoot? Note - I know there was no reason in at least some cases. What does this mean? What is "thrashing shit and taking over rallies"? Under what circumstances do you think it's acceptable for police to shoot citizens?

I think it's the riots and assassinations. Maybe blocking traffic depending on who you ask. Of course, Black Lives Matter isn't a well defined group, so you can't blame all of them for the actions of a few. But that's true of people who want <insert right leaning policy proposal here>.

viridian 9y ago
Don't forget disrupting pride parades. BLM really has had it out for the LGBT community in the midwest this year, for whatever reason.

fastball 9y ago

Yes. The idea that there are cops on safari hunting black people is a fundamentally absurd notion. When it is clear that the officer was involved in a "bad shoot", those officers are removed from duty and charged with murder/manslaughter. If you can point me to one that was not, I'd be very interested to learn more. However, it is often difficult to determine a bad shoot from a "good" one, which is the primary issue. Cops disproportionately target black Americans because black Americans commit a disproportionate percentage of the crime in America. And you don't need to stop at the overall crime rate, you can look at how black Americans kill a disproportionate number of cops. There were 511 officers killed in felonious incidents and 540 offenders from 2004 to 2013, according to FBI reports. Among the total offenders, 52 percent were white, and 43 percent were black.[1] And according to the 2010 US Census [2], the racial split in the US was: White: 72.4% Black: 12.6% I think the numbers speak for themselves. Do these numbers justify cops killing unarmed civilians that pose no threat? OF COURSE NOT. But that is almost never the case. Remember, cops are not the military (they are not tried in internal military tribunals), and they do not have immunity. At the end of the day, it is up to the DA to bring charges against a police officer, and the DA will usually not bring said charges if that DA does not think he/she can prove in a court of law that it was a bad shoot. So yes, there are racist cops. But that should only be a crisis if you believe the US' entire justice system to be racist against black people. [1] - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/09/are-black-or-white-offenders-more-likely-to-kill-police/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/... [2] - https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf

pjc50 9y ago
> charged with murder/manslaughter .. and then acquitted. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/white-tulsa-officer-is-acquitted-in-fatal-shooting-of-black-driver.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/white-tulsa-officer-is... > the US' entire justice system to be racist against black people I believe that's a key part of the BLM argument, yes.
- fastball 9y ago
  The Tulsa County District Court jury of eight women and four men, including at least four black jurors Jury decisions need to be unanimous, so at least four black people thought this woman was not guilty of manslaughter. A truly outrageous verdict from a truly racist justice system. I'd also like to point out that, although unarmed, the victim was high on PCP at the time of the shooting, and PCP is nothing to joke about. It causes erratic and often dangerous behaviour. Case in point: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/man-high-pcp-shows-superhuman-9049594 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/man-high-pcp-shows-s...

YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 9y ago

Do black cops that kill black people not think that black lives matter? And the reasonable response to that is to loot and destroy a black neighbourhood by its very inhabitants (among others)? It really seems quite ridiculous from here at least. (And no, the fact that black people are over-represented in cop shoot-outs does not prove that cops have something against black people.)

mantas 9y ago

Their kind of protesting is not my cup of tea. Protests can be done in civilised manner. Theirs, at least the ones that make the news, are not. Looking from afar, they're only hurting their cause. I mean.. if they thrash shit and take over rallies, maybe cops had a reason to shoot? Note - I know there was no reason in at least some cases. The library video with BLM harassing students was extremely embarrassing. Shit like that would get people arrested over there and nobody would look at them seriously ever after. That may or may not be influenced by my northern-ish shy attitude.

grasshopperpurp 9y ago
https://pics.onsizzle.com/why-cant-they-protest-peacefully-or-like-that-but-not-7114307.png https://pics.onsizzle.com/why-cant-they-protest-peacefully-o...
- mantas 9y ago
  Exactly. Why? We managed to get out of fuckin USSR without violent protests. Civil protests and engaging in politics is awesome. But not as easy and fun as smashing shit. Act like idiots = be treated like idiots.
  - grasshopperpurp 9y ago
    The point of that is to show that white people in America are not happy with any form of protest from black people.
    - mantas 9y ago
      I know
hsod 9y ago
> if they thrash shit and take over rallies, maybe cops had a reason to shoot? Note - I know there was no reason in at least some cases. What does this mean? What is "thrashing shit and taking over rallies"? Under what circumstances do you think it's acceptable for police to shoot citizens?